Don't forget to vote!

[Rampid_Justin]

In our newest poll, where YOU become the judge! :)

http://outwar.com/ow_polls.php?id=9

So far I find it quite interesting how split the votes are between "harsh" and "light" penalties..

Just remember, these penalties would be given to players we are SURE are using DCAAs, so vote with that in mind.

[PimpTheMonkey]

Absolutely those who you're sure of DCAAing should have the book thrown at them. 2 weeks w/ exp taken on a first offense, then permanent suspension on a repeat offense.

[SnIpEuOuT]

None of those punishments look severe enough in my opinion, lol.

[Rampid_Justin]

Absolutely those who you're sure of DCAAing should have the book thrown at them. 2 weeks w/ exp taken on a first offense, then permanent suspension on a repeat offense.

That's what I was thinking, but there are some big names there, and I figured I'd let you guys decide how the 150+ RGs would be treated..

I do find it odd that so many people are voting for 3 days w/no exp loss. Coincidence? ;)

[Dark_Dragon_311]

i voted for the 2 weeks and 15% exp loss; however it should be more harsh than that. say 3 months and 75% exp loss for 1st offense and permenant suspension for 2nd offense.

[Rampid_Justin]

i voted for the 2 weeks and 15% exp loss; however it should be more harsh than that. say 3 months and 75% exp loss for 1st offense and permenant suspension for 2nd offense.

There is the question of usage length though, I would hate to have a bunch of players quit because they happened to start using it when we decided to crack down, and 95% of their growth was legit. I think 2 weeks + 15% is a fair median. :)

[Sparda1234]

Personaly i dont really care... however i could go and load up multiple RGA's and vote (and be able to keep the average level up) and vote for the one i want ;) but im too lazy and dont really care.. so really you should just chose yourself because im not the only one which could.

[elfeh1k]

DCAA = cheating, should be a lot longer than 2 weeks but I do like the idea of a exp reduction.

What are the ideas for repunishment if they are caught again? I feel repeat offenders should deffinatly recieve a perminent ban as they have obviously been warned about this before and if they do not listen then this should be addressed in a much harsher way than just 2 weeks.

Oh and I guess we can tell who have voted for the 3day suspension!

[Wizzy]

In our newest poll, where YOU become the judge! :)

http://outwar.com/ow_polls.php?id=9

So far I find it quite interesting how split the votes are between "harsh" and "light" penalties..

Just remember, these penalties would be given to players we are SURE are using DCAAs, so vote with that in mind.

How would you go about finding that out? o.O lol

Oh and...I hope you're monitoring who's voting for each option because I know a certain someone who might decide to go script-voting when he wakes up! LOL.

[Sparda1234]

Oh and...I hope you're monitoring who's voting for each option because I know a certain someone who might decide to go script-voting when he wakes up! LOL.


lmfao :p thats quite funny

[simonrobinson]

id like to know also how u can tell cause some of us grow very well without dcaa

[Rampid_Justin]

id like to know also how u can tell cause some of us grow very well without dcaa

You're not on the list.

[Egnar]

I voted 2 weeks + 15% but thats just because it was the harshest on there but personally I think it really needs to be done case by case.

If someone has been using a DCAA for years. . .Ban him for 1-2 months and remove a few levels and hopefully they'll learn there lesson. If you catch someone on there first few times they ban them for a week

[makavelitehdon]

Well how can u tell lol

[champ]

So everybody that passed me cuz of a DCAA gets put back behind me ?

leet :o


ps: dont u dare dt lol

[NightThaProphet]

There is the question of usage length though, I would hate to have a bunch of players quit because they happened to start using it when we decided to crack down, and 95% of their growth was legit. I think 2 weeks + 15% is a fair median. :)

I think a 2 week suspension for first offense, maybe 3 weeks. And after that maybe a perm suspension. 15% is nice, but say u have a smaller account, 5mill loses 750k, were as people that have played the game a long time, and maybe just started using it, that are say 30mill, since that seems a common exp now, stand to lose 4.5mill. 2-3week suspension, with no exp growth while suspended, average of say 60k a day legit growth, would come out to 600-1mill.

The other point is macros. They are near impossible to trace, except for doing the same route over and over. So Yea you might cut down on dcaa, but then again, it just go's back to macros.

So maybe just set a certain amount of daily growth, max in dc 150k or something. and then sr, so max overall like 250k

[Wizzy]

I voted 2 weeks + 15% but thats just because it was the harshest on there but personally I think it really needs to be done case by case.

If someone has been using a DCAA for years. . .Ban him for 1-2 months and remove a few levels and hopefully they'll learn there lesson. If you catch someone on there first few times they ban them for a week

Agreed. Depending on the number of people, suspensions should be decided on case by case - that seems the fairest way.

[Rampid_Justin]

I think a 2 week suspension for first offense, maybe 3 weeks. And after that maybe a perm suspension. 15% is nice, but say u have a smaller account, 5mill loses 750k, were as people that have played the game a long time, and maybe just started using it, that are say 30mill, since that seems a common exp now, stand to lose 4.5mill. 2-3week suspension, with no exp growth while suspended, average of say 60k a day legit growth, would come out to 600-1mill.

The other point is macros. They are near impossible to trace, except for doing the same route over and over. So Yea you might cut down on dcaa, but then again, it just go's back to macros.

So maybe just set a certain amount of daily growth, max in dc 150k or something. and then sr, so max overall like 250k

I'm not worried about making someone lose a few million more than they gained by cheating.

[Rampid_Justin]

Agreed. Depending on the number of people, suspensions should be decided on case by case - that seems the fairest way.

I don't have data that goes back far enough to determine length of usage, just frequency. I'm only suspending the people that are OBVIOUS.

[NightThaProphet]

I'm not worried about making someone lose a few million more than they gained by cheating.

yea good point, shouldn't cheat to begin with.

[Wizzy]

I don't have data that goes back far enough to determine length of usage, just frequency. I'm only suspending the people that are OBVIOUS.

I don't DCAA so I don't care lol but just out of curiosity, what qualifies as "Obvious" o.o

[JGeatsU]

i think justin should take this into his own hands because even tho voting. and what not who says he will take the highest one. he would still get to choose. and dcaa are really bad i dont think they should be used at all. and besides people that are on that list that justin said is it not possible some people can dc faster then a dcaa.. i know a few who can. and that wouldn't be fair to suspend them if they didn't use it. and did it all legit.

[Egnar]

I don't have data that goes back far enough to determine length of usage, just frequency. I'm only suspending the people that are OBVIOUS.Well really I think you know what I mean. If someone is using it all the time they should be punished harsher then someone who used it once. Punishment should increase based on:
1) Rate of usage
2) Gain from usage
3) Prior infractions
4) Priors of the same infraction

[Rampid_Justin]

i think justin should take this into his own hands because even tho voting. and what not who says he will take the highest one. he would still get to choose. and dcaa are really bad i dont think they should be used at all. and besides people that are on that list that justin said is it not possible some people can dc faster then a dcaa.. i know a few who can. and that wouldn't be fair to suspend them if they didn't use it. and did it all legit.

People that can DC fast aren't on the list. Just trust me, I've contacted a few people that are on the list and they all DCAA.

[champ]

i think justin should take this into his own hands because even tho voting. and what not who says he will take the highest one. he would still get to choose. and dcaa are really bad i dont think they should be used at all. and besides people that are on that list that justin said is it not possible some people can dc faster then a dcaa.. i know a few who can. and that wouldn't be fair to suspend them if they didn't use it. and did it all legit.

If someone is still running around dc like a headless chicken with 0 rage trying to attack a mob, that indicates DCAA usage ;)

That's pretty obvious I would say.

[Rampid_Justin]

Well really I think you know what I mean. If someone is using it all the time they should be punished harsher then someone who used it once. Punishment should increase based on:
1) Rate of usage
2) Gain from usage
3) Prior infractions
4) Priors of the same infraction

Right. If someone DCAAd for an hour or so, they won't show up as "Obvious" even if they are on the list, so they won't be suspended.

[Sensational]

You're not on the list.

are the people who grow 1 mil+ like every day on this list?

[Rampid_Justin]

I don't DCAA so I don't care lol but just out of curiosity, what qualifies as "Obvious" o.o

Just checked, you're not on the list either. Congrats. :p

Also, obvious means the data collected couldn't have been manual.

[Rampid_Justin]

are the people who grow 1 mil+ like every day on this list?

Depends, if they used a DCAA to do it they are. I've seen 1mil legit growth, so we don't suspend based off growth anymore, since players don't mind playing 12+ hours a day occasionally.

[makavelitehdon]

How will you be able to figure out if someone is running dcaa or not?

Also am i on a list? lol

[JGeatsU]

so in other words every one that dcaa for 1 hour or every 2 hours or w.e wont be suspended but for people that do it all day ling BUT don't run out of rage would be suspended? that does not seem fair. to the rest of outwar wouldn't that give them idea o ill use it 1-2 times a day i wont get suspended.that just opens up a can of worms don't you think? and y would people admit to using a dcaa when you contact them? wouldn't they lie and say no and u cant say there is proof behind it... if they can dc faster then a dcaa no? sorry not trying to be the bad egg but curious about theses things.




Can a admin please remove this holy drop in our crew stones in really annoying
War of glory
torax

[SnIpEuOuT]

Why are you guys asking him if your on the list, if you don't cheat you shouldn't have to worry about anything :P

[Wizzy]

Another question. By DCAAs, you include Macros? Oh and when will the suspensions begin!? >:)

Also, Justin is a noob for double-posting.

[JGeatsU]

well i for one know i don't cheat but i do dc fast. don't know how fast. but i would like to know if i am on that list since i dc alot and am on ow about 12 or more hours a day when off from work. so i am curious.

[skydragon666]

Depends, if they used a DCAA to do it they are. I've seen 1mil legit growth, so we don't suspend based off growth anymore, since players don't mind playing 12+ hours a day occasionally.

12 Hours A Day LOL Thats Weak Try 20 hours a Day lol 7 Days A Week

(Some Might Say Omg your say get a life but heh y should i work if i dont need 2 and yes iv got a job)


But Justin Would The People Using "I MACROS"
Getting Suspended Aswell
Because All That Is Following 1 Path And Repeating It Over And Over (hint hint Stone Raven)

[SnIpEuOuT]

12 Hours A Day LOL Thats Weak Try 20 hours a Day lol 7 Days A Week

(Some Might Say Omg your say get a life but heh y should i work if i dont need 2 and yes iv got a job)


But Justin Would The People Using "I MACROS"
Getting Suspended Aswell
Because All That Is Following 1 Path And Repeating It Over And Over (hint hint Stone Raven)

Macros are considered automated programs so I don't see why it wouldn't be in the same boat as DCAAs.

[Rampid_Justin]

well i for one know i don't cheat but i do dc fast. don't know how fast. but i would like to know if i am on that list since i dc alot and am on ow about 12 or more hours a day when off from work. so i am curious.

You're not in the group that is getting suspended.

[Sensational]

12 Hours A Day LOL Thats Weak Try 20 hours a Day lol 7 Days A Week

(Some Might Say Omg your say get a life but heh y should i work if i dont need 2 and yes iv got a job)


But Justin Would The People Using "I MACROS"
Getting Suspended Aswell
Because All That Is Following 1 Path And Repeating It Over And Over (hint hint Stone Raven)

some people might be too cool and follow the same path anyway (y) i know i do it sometimes

[Wizzy]

Macros are considered automated programs so I don't see why it wouldn't be in the same boat as DCAAs.


I think the question was, can they detect the usage of Macros as a DCAA since we all know its different from Typpo and Shadowlord's.

[Rampid_Justin]

Also, using Macros depends on how the macro was built. Either way, it's illegal so don't get mad if you're on it.

[Egnar]

I'm curious as to what constitutes "on the list" as well. I don't dc at all really so I know I'm not on there but I'm curious as to what data you're basing this off of. If it's what I think it is it may be best to look into more accurate ways as I'm sure there would be ways to get around it. *doesn't want to get into too much detail or give people ideas*

[skydragon666]

some people might be too cool and follow the same path anyway (y) i know i do it sometimes

The Same Exact Path Killing The Same Mob Every Time? Over and Over Without a Mistake I Don't Think so there is a path eg go from sigil room boat house stizzy ect


and doing boat house room 1 kill drake,drake,ect
and doing the exact same thing over and over

[JGeatsU]

ty justin now i can go back to dcing the way i used to since i dont need to be afraid that i am going to be suspended for dcing fast.

[makavelitehdon]

You are including AA's in this also justin?

[simonrobinson]

this list will probably be biased anyway lol 90% of ow are using a dcaa but cause folk are small or dont get much rage and only grow 100k a day i assume you dont include them lol.

i grow 600-800k a day i wont anymore cause u just put rage on mobs in raven up so it kills my rage now.. but im legit or am i on the list lol just casu i grow alot.

not that i care if i am just message me and ill give u my method but tell anyone an ill woop ya ass(thats to justin not all u noobs)

[skydragon666]

Also, using Macros depends on how the macro was built. Either way, it's illegal so don't get mad if you're on it.

Sweet i cant wait 2 see New Ranks After every 1 is suspended

[SnIpEuOuT]

I think the question was, can they detect the usage of Macros as a DCAA since we all know its different from Typpo and Shadowlord's.

He didn't ask could it be detected, he asked if they would be suspended for using it and then he just had an example of it.

[Rampid_Justin]

this list will probably be biased anyway lol 90% of ow are using a dcaa but cause folk are small or dont get much rage and only grow 100k a day i assume you dont include them lol.

i grow 600-800k a day i wont anymore cause u just put rage on mobs in raven up so it kills my rage now.. but im legit or am i on the list lol just casu i grow alot.

not that i care if i am just message me and ill give u my method but tell anyone an ill woop ya ass(thats to justin not all u noobs)

I said you aren't on it.

Has nothing to do with exp/day. Some of the highest people are level 20-30.

If you open up world.php and use your keyboard and mouse to DC, you have NOTHING to worry about.

[Swudeson]

Are tabs legit? :|

[Sensational]

post the list so we can rape their exp away anyway :-"

[Egnar]

I'd imagine tabbing with firefox is legit. .
1) You're doing all the work manually
2) You're using the world.php

At least i'd hope so since thats how I've been doing it on the offchance I choose to DC>

[Rampid_Justin]

I'd imagine tabbing with firefox is legit. .
1) You're doing all the work manually
2) You're using the world.php

At least i'd hope so since thats how I've been doing it on the offchance I choose to DC>

That's how I DC'd, and yes, it's legit.

[NightThaProphet]

yea i dont see why tabs wouldn't be legit, thats also how i dc, it saves time imo instead of hitting the mob attack icon and then E

You may only play Outwar.com with one type, version or copy of browsing software application at any one time.

I hope that excludes tabs, cuz each tab is kinda like a new copy of the browser page

[Wizzy]

I said you aren't on it.

Has nothing to do with exp/day. Some of the highest people are level 20-30.

If you open up world.php and use your keyboard and mouse to DC, you have NOTHING to worry about.

Don't macros simulate the same using keyboard and mouse to DC? Those people who use it don't have anything to worry about? poopie :(

[Swudeson]

Ty justin, eg, and ntp :)

[dtpy]

How would you go about finding that out? o.O lol

Oh and...I hope you're monitoring who's voting for each option because I know a certain someone who might decide to go script-voting when he wakes up! LOL.


k, i woke up o_O

[Rampid_Justin]

Don't macros simulate the same using keyboard and mouse to DC? Those people who use it don't have anything to worry about? poopie :(

Not exactly :)

[Wizzy]

That's good to hear! Thank you :p...I think :D

[Swudeson]

Sounds like Justin has a few tricks up his sleeve. Justin, is TWO browsers legal? Some people seem to think so...

[skydragon666]

Lets All Just Ask

Justin I'm I On The List
Since i'm super leet and sexy Ofcouse As you know

/me kisses Justin

[simonrobinson]

rofl this thread is like the mafia like we all gonna get gunned down ...ARE WE ON LIST LOL!!!!!

[Sensational]

sky is on the list.... of not updating his sig.. supposedly hes a lucifer in tfo 8-|

rofl this thread is like the mafia like we all gonna get gunned down ...ARE WE ON LIST LOL!!!!!

just... LOL!

[MuffinMan]

sky why do u kiss everyone? :/

am i on the list? :o

[SkatrBill]

i don't think that there should be a penalty loss, cause many admins look over the top players who they know are dcaaing...

i say ow should be able to have 1 ultimate account that has everyone trusteed to it and they check for peopel room linking and if they room link with out a exp pot casted they get suspended for a week...
15% exp is 2 big of a penalty maybe like 5% exp taken away.

[Swudeson]

Let's stay on topic here...

[skydragon666]

Let's stay on topic here...

i'm for justin 2 reply and see if I'm On The"Mafia" Hit List?

[snake]

Is Happy as **** finally going to stop the dcaa's :D I been trying for months to have you do somethen to them btw want me to send you the list of people i booted from ch justin for running dcaa's 24/7?

[Rampid_Justin]

i'm for justin 2 reply and see if I'm On The"Mafia" Hit List?

I PM'd you.

[Sparda1234]

Just post the list so we can all laugh at eachother :p

(also just stops people from asking individually if they are on the list or not)

[Taz030]

Just post the list so we can all laugh at eachother :p

(also just stops people from asking individually if they are on the list or not)

Totally agree....

[jZampage]

Lol that is quite funny. Simply put there needs to be multiple offenses otherwise this just won't work. 1st offense 3 day suspension, 2nd 1 week with 10% xp knocked off, 3rd 2 week suspension with 25% knocked, 4th is a ban.

There are literally hundreds of top players who use DCAA, if everyone was penalized severely the first offense, you would get a ton of people to quit and these are a lot of where the revenue comes from for OW, it just wouldn't work.

[darkpoey]

Justin, does this include newer servers like Rancid?

And I think the punishment isn't harsh enough... 2 weeks and 15% exp.. lol get unsuspended and still be at the top

Alot of people on rancid will lose say 2 mil exp and 2 weeks? Won't affect them much at all, since theyve gained like the majority of their exp through a program, why not lose their whole account for it?

[medman]

yea. would be nice to strip all that exp before they get suspended.


but at the same time, i think the list would be too huge for this forum. maybe if they took down one of the servers that don't matter like zimbob and posted the list there, its possible there would be room

[Egnar]

Justin, does this include newer servers like Rancid?

And I think the punishment isn't harsh enough... 2 weeks and 15% exp.. lol get unsuspended and still be at the top

Alot of people on rancid will lose say 2 mil exp and 2 weeks? Won't affect them much at all, since theyve gained like the majority of their exp through a program, why not lose their whole account for it?
To be honest I'm glad Rampid is moving away from the old way of banning you permanently no matter what. But I'm sure it'll be a case by case deciding factor as he stated a few times in this thread.

[bluedthunder]

Is Happy as shit finally going to stop the dcaa's :D I been trying for months to have you do somethen to them btw want me to send you the list of people i booted from ch justin for running dcaa's 24/7?

I doubt dcaaing will be stopped, it'll just make people more cautious with it.

[Egnar]

I sent Justin a decent way (i think) to potentially slow down dcaaing a lot but he stopped answering me :(.

[snake]

Just post the list so we can all laugh at eachother :p

(also just stops people from asking individually if they are on the list or not)



KandleMan
Undesolved
XScott

are the 3 that i booted or left when i sent a msg out saying i would be sending messages to admins if i cought them using dcaa's

[Mully]

Just delete any account that is caught using one!

[bluedthunder]

Just delete any account that is caught using one!

lol bye bye over half of outwar

[simonrobinson]

lol bye bye over half of outwar


your being too kind bluey lol id say 80% for dcing and another 18% for using dcaa as a mover

[Swudeson]

Indeed, I too am curious to see who is on there. I've been in a few crews with many people over the years, and i'm interested in seeing who all is on it :)

[Sensational]

maybe if they took down one of the servers that don't matter like zimbob and posted the list there, its possible there would be room

LOL! too right about zimbob not mattering :-" and yeh that list should be massive..

[medman]

your being too kind bluey lol id say 80% for dcing and another 18% for using dcaa as a mover

yay i shall be leet when im high up there in the 2% that's left :)

[snake]

Indeed, I too am curious to see who is on there. I've been in a few crews with many people over the years, and i'm interested in seeing who all is on it :)

I hope they make the list public so i know who not to invite to ch ever :)

[Dark_Dragon_311]

your being too kind bluey lol id say 80% for dcing and another 18% for using dcaa as a mover


unless my math is completely wrong, i'd say that would leave only 2% left that don't use dcaa or any other type of program. lol

[bluedthunder]

LOL! too right about zimbob not mattering :-" and yeh that list should be massive..

If the list is correct and accurate, i would be VERY surprised if more than 30 of the current top 50 spots(150 total) are still up there.

[Sensational]

If the list is correct and accurate, i would be VERY surprised if more than 30 of the current top 50 spots(150 total) are still up there.

maybe i could get into it then :>

[Swudeson]

If the list is correct and accurate, i would be VERY surprised if more than 30 of the current top 50 spots(150 total) are still up there.

I agree with you! There are many known users there.

[Mully]

unless my math is completely wrong, i'd say that would leave only 2% left that don't use dcaa or any other type of program. lol

Awesome. I'm sure the game will be so much more fun once the cheaters are all gone.

[medman]

Awesome. I'm sure the game will be so much more fun once the cheaters are all gone.

if by more fun you mean empty, easy to take gods cause everyone is in same crew with no competition at all, then yea i guess i'd agree :)

[sindeadman]

wow this got big fast. you can look at people and tell who dcaa i mean if you got more then 400k a day.

[snake]

wow this got big fast. you can look at people and tell who dcaa i mean if you got more then 400k a day.

not if they are doing 2 full sr runs

thats 200k just from the quests
30 to 40k from exp from items
istn that hard to dc 160 to 170k a day

[Swudeson]

wow this got big fast. you can look at people and tell who dcaa i mean if you got more then 400k a day.

400k is possible if you do SR. However, if you just got that much via Fury's and Grind, then you are most likely DCAAing lol.

[Egnar]

If the list is correct and accurate, i would be VERY surprised if more than 30 of the current top 50 spots(150 total) are still up there.
Based on what I've been told on how it works - I'd imagine at this time the list is as much as 99.9% accurate.

[darkpoey]

your being too kind bluey lol id say 80% for dcing and another 18% for using dcaa as a mover
Agreed..
And i wouldn't mind losing 50% of OW, as that is the cheating half. I'm willing to wave goodbye to them for good, ROFL.

[Swudeson]

i may start a new crew lol called non dcer,s lol as blue quoted we might only have like 30-40 players left so we can monopolize all the gods ....who,s with me

Take that one to the Brainstorm section lol

There will be PLENTY of players left. Just some big names will be suspended. For how long? Who knows, VOTE!

[belgiumdude]

well the list is private for the admins

some things better can't be told...

[aneye4aneye07]

wow this got big fast. you can look at people and tell who dcaa i mean if you got more then 400k a day.

not true at all, if you have leet ass rpt like hec has, or buy mad recharge potions and are on for like 12hours a day you could get like 400k ++

[medman]

i find it hard to believe the list is 99.9% correct if he said the average DCAA user (ie 1 hour a day or so) isn't on the list

[simonrobinson]

i think justin only made this thread to get the most active thread on here ...justin you bad bad boy

[bluedthunder]

well the list is private for the admins

some things better can't be told...

public humiliation can be good :p

[Egnar]

i find it hard to believe the list is 99.9% correct if he said the average DCAA user (ie 1 hour a day or so) isn't on the list
Well it's accurate in that those on the list are definitely dcaa users. Of course very casual users slip through the crack.

[medman]

Well it's accurate in that those on the list are defiantly dcaa users. Of course very casual users slip through the crack.

oh ok thats good to know then. i just hope everyone that gets the first ban wises up and we have a OW community left....

2nd thought on this matter, should prolly go in ow brainstorming, but its about the punishments as well, so ummmm, i think it should be fine here.

at one point you could pay to have images off your account for attacking so you could AA. maybe an option here? then the people wouldn't be cheaters, we wouldn't have to worry about so many people being suspended. And people could continue to go about life as is

[Egnar]

Because I know how the list is written and it's almost physically impossible for someone using legit methods to trigger the list.

[Mully]

public humiliation can be good :p

I don't know about you, but I rather be on the DCAA list then the list of people who sit on here and manually dc 600k exp.

[puda]

Well it's accurate in that those on the list are definitely dcaa users. Of course very casual users slip through the crack.


the question we should be asking is are we going to crack down on people just using DCAA's? what about the people using python and other auto skillers, even auto raid joiners I know nthey have to exist. why only DCAA'a why not all of them?

[Egnar]

I'm sure only an admin could answer that question, Puda.

[medman]

well there were some autoskill users suspended the other day, i think they are finally taking control of the site again

[puda]

I'm sure only an admin could answer that question, Puda.

it's not on the poll though, I mean mad skills to people who can DC 400k a day and stuff like that but I could swear sometimes I get attack by the same people at the same time every hour, and I am talking 3 poeple at one time every hour, what happened when I send it in as a support ticket and what do they say " that is just someone attacking you at the same time" that is a bunch of crap. that is mods not wanting to do anything about it.

[Egnar]

I know nothing about that stuff. I only work on the forums.

[puda]

I know nothing about that stuff. I only work on the forums.


I know Egnar it is stuff like that, that confuses me, but props to OW admins for doing something about it I can say that.

[simonrobinson]

I know Egnar it is stuff like that, that confuses me, but props to OW admins for doing something about it I can say that.


theres no guarantee that it aint a legit person i mean if he hits u 24hrs a day then yes thas a program but if its only like 4 or 5 hrs it can be legit

[Egnar]

Well frankly I'd imagine that unless you're an admin you can't really determine if it's a dcaa or auto attack or not just based on that small a sample size. I would imagine if multiple tickets were put out against one person it would trigger a reaction and an admin would look into it.

Frankly though it's difficult to catch these people because some of this stuff is possible for the "above average" player to do, regardless of if 99% of people are doing it a cheat way.


theres no guarantee that it aint a legit person i mean if he hits u 24hrs a day then yes thas a program but if its only like 4 or 5 hrs it can be legit
Even then it could be someone who has given there login out to a brother/friend/whomever and they do it in that way. Chances are it's cheating but you never know which is what makes catching people difficult.

[medman]

i get attacked the same time every day on several of my accounts for about 3 hours, then it stops. Now I don't know his schedule, and it is ALWAYS around the same time, but like hec said, i am more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and believe that is the time he is normally on and not using an AA. he doesn't hit me 24 times a day, its closer to 3-5.

[Sensational]

is it possible for 1 account to hit 30+ people in a minute without using programs?

[Dark_Dragon_311]

Well frankly I'd imagine that unless you're an admin you can't really determine if it's a dcaa or auto attack or not just based on that small a sample size. I would imagine if multiple tickets were put out against one person it would trigger a reaction and an admin would look into it.

Frankly though it's difficult to catch these people because some of this stuff is possible for the "above average" player to do, regardless of if 99% of people are doing it a cheat way.


Even then it could be someone who has given there login out to a brother/friend/whomever and they do it in that way. Chances are it's cheating but you never know which is what makes catching people difficult.




best way to know is if 30+ people, from same crew,r hitting u at exact same time.

[LordATL]

You Justin am I on the list ? can you pm me and tell me ? plzzzz

[belgiumdude]

Please stop about the list

if you use a program then you know you are on the list

[Swudeson]

I think all of us wanna know, but you should be more than confident that you aren't lol. Sounding desperate to know may raise suspicion by other members :)

[snake]

Heck sence everyone else is asking if they are on the list Am i onl it? lol even though im almost posative im not :) never know lol

[Sensational]

ow should pm everyone to say they're on the list as a final warning haha

[Egnar]

If you don't use a dcaa you're not on the list - I can say that with pretty good certainty.

If you do use a dcaa you're probably on the list and shouldn't bother asking anyway.

[Swudeson]

If you don't use a dcaa you're not on the list - I can say that with pretty good certainty.

If you do use a dcaa you're probably on the list and shouldn't bother asking anyway.

Brilliantly Stated lol :D A+

It should be pretty easy to tell if you are on the list or not!

[SkatrBill]

how would you get on the list? like what would be reasons you would be on, i must have missed it if someone already said it...

[Gangsta1337]

how would you get on the list? like what would be reasons you would be on, i must have missed it if someone already said it...


if your signed up for the dcaa

[Egnar]

how would you get on the list? like what would be reasons you would be on, i must have missed it if someone already said it...
No one said it - And because I don't know how many people were told I really don't want to say it.

[Gangsta1337]

question:

what if a mod gets caught for dcaa? do they lose their mod spot too? NO UNFOUNDED ACCUSATIONS AT THIS TIME PLEASE

[Egnar]

I'd hope any mod caught cheating would lose there mod spot and lose any chance of gaining it back in the future.

[snake]

Brilliantly Stated lol :D A+

It should be pretty easy to tell if you are on the list or not!


not really if the list is based on movement on it what if someone used one to move your account to a god?

i just better not be suspended for someone using a dcaa to move my account to a god i will go ape sh*t

[SkatrBill]

No one said it - And because I don't know how many people were told I really don't want to say it.

hmm well i hope its not for having full backpacks cause some times i forget and get 2 lazy to bother droping my crap in my bp, cause i take time selecting stuff and then select the wrong thing and ahve to do it all over again which is lame.

[Swudeson]

not really if the list is based on movement on it what if someone used one to move your account to a god?

i just better not be suspended for someone using a dcaa to move my account to a god i will go ape sh*t


I'm sure that it is based on attacking mobs. If it were movement, and someone accessed your account via trustee, i don't see how you would be held liable for their cheating!

[Gangsta1337]

I'd hope any mod caught cheating would lose there mod spot and lose any chance of gaining it back in the future.


i would hope so too

[LordATL]

I hope so too but im sure sine they are a mod they know better

[Apathy]

Yes, What is the reprimand a moderator receives?

They are to be already honest and helping the players to make the game easier. So, if one is to be caught.

Shouldn't they deserve an even more sever punishment?

[Gangsta1337]

Yes, What is the reprimand a moderator receives?

They are to be already honest and helping the players to make the game easier. So, if one is to be caught.

Shouldn't they deserve an even more sever punishment?



like permanant closing of their account? ;)))))

[Sparda1234]

There is always a chance that someone innocent slips through the filter..

People who are asking i think are just curious not as a sign they are guilty.

[Taz030]

like permanant closing of their account? ;)))))

seriously don't think that is gonna happen.

[Gangsta1337]

There is always a chance that someone innocent slips through the filter..

People who are asking i think are just curious not as a sign they are guilty.



true, but what if people are innocent? and havnt used dcaa and they get suspended because their on the list? yet they havnt used it

[SkatrBill]

There is always a chance that someone innocent slips through the filter..

People who are asking i think are just curious not as a sign they are guilty.

agreed, i say you they get suspended for a week and can't grow for 2 weeks for the first offense and doubled for every other offense

[Sparda1234]

In all honisty, it has been that long since outwar has done anything against automated programs it shouldnt be that harsh - however it should show that you can and will now do something about it..

If people then continue to use it past that then deal with them however you want but in all fairness, it has been a very long time since youve done anything about it so cant really blame people for using them.

[puda]

In all honisty, it has been that long since outwar has done anything against automated programs it shouldnt be that harsh - however it should show that you can and will now do something about it..

If people then continue to use it past that then deal with them however you want but in all fairness, it has been a very long time since youve done anything about it so cant really blame people for using them.

I agree with that there are always going to be first time users I mean come on, have I used a DCAA before yes do I now?? no. the bottom line is it sounds like OW admins are making a statement using this list they have

[Firestarter]

nice start. try doing the same for macros, aa's, pythons, ocr, vb, etc and people will start playing legit. i wonder who spends + 12 hours a day attacking mobs in dc. u gotta be kidding me justin with the 1 mil growth a day. let's get real.

[snake]

nice start. try doing the same for macros, aa's, pythons, ocr, vb, etc and people will start playing legit. i wonder who spends + 12 hours a day attacking mobs in dc. u gotta be kidding me justin with the 1 mil growth a day. let's get real.

i have did it 2 days lol but im laid off had nothing better to do with my time now that i have school work today i spend my time doing that :)

[Firestarter]

lol, snake, i play ow like 12 hours a day. 8 hours at the office + 4 at home in the night, but i sure don't spend all this time attacking mobs in dc all this time. only time i dc-ed for about 10 hours in a row was when i got raped 200 + k in a few hours while i was offline. i seriously doubt people dc 12 hours in a row

[Shawty]

i play like 3 hours a day and when done draining rage on low max rage accts for pots, i grow my main!!..............

i wtfp00nazor growth with my leet 50K

[GAGE]

Right. If someone DCAAd for an hour or so, they won't show up as "Obvious" even if they are on the list, so they won't be suspended.

LOL @ that is all i can say

cause your basicly saying u know he cheats, but thats cool he cheats he does it a couple hours a day, aint that a double standard cause u know some1 who cheats, but your letting him slide cause he dont cheat enough by your standards

[Firestarter]

would be fun, people checking their clocks everytime. hmm, 10 minutes left of dcaa-ing today :D cause if i past 1 hour i'm suspended. hahaha

[Berserkr]

wheres this big list, lets see whos gettin nailed

[Wizzy]

I'd hope any mod caught cheating would lose there mod spot and lose any chance of gaining it back in the future.

As far as I know, once you are fired you can never be rehired.

is it possible for 1 account to hit 30+ people in a minute without using programs?

Tab it!

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In all honisty, it has been that long since outwar has done anything against automated programs it shouldnt be that harsh - however it should show that you can and will now do something about it..

If people then continue to use it past that then deal with them however you want but in all fairness, it has been a very long time since youve done anything about it so cant really blame people for using them.


One of my noobs is too shy to post for himself so the following is on his behalf:

"I agree. Basically, by not stopping DCAAing for the past..what..1+years?..the admins have indirectly allowed DCAA use. To suddenly spring mass severe suspensions on these players years later is silly. Minimal or no suspensions should be done but now these DCAAers know that there will be punishment...as long as you stick by it."

[kingmultis1_20]

voted. macro's aren't easy to trace, their made to mimic life like actions.

[Doors]

Gonna be fun to see what happens when they use this list of ppl dcaa'ing

[GAGE]

Gonna be fun to see what happens when they use this list of ppl dcaa'ing

they wont have a game no more and people wont spend money on over priced rage augments or furys no more lol

[snake]

they wont have a game no more and people wont spend money on over priced rage augments or furys no more lol

Exp items will be the hot item again not just aph :) lmao

[GAGE]

lol yeah everyone will want a 15 xp aug or 50 xp augs and the game will be lag free every god will be up cause no1 will be able to take gods as they have minim rage on there accounts lol

they should bring back proxy clicking 2 LOL

Best way to make it fair across all lines is a max cap per day, u cant say cause u d.c 1 hour and u dcaa 6 that the one should get away with it, he is doign what the 6 hour person is a lvl cap of 200k-250k would be fine

[DruiD]

150+ is it? Surprised me, I see atleast 125+ on the top 50 of each class page (mods included, I won't mention names). I don't care how fast you can dc, 600k+ a day every day for god knows how long is cheating rofl

But whatever, gonna crack down on dcaa a bit, but seems the ones I always tabbed as dcaa'ers are getting off the hook. Guess I'm a fool I dunno.

[olympus]

150+ is it? Surprised me, I see atleast 125+ on the top 50 of each class page (mods included, I won't mention names). I don't care how fast you can dc, 600k+ a day every day for god knows how long is cheating rofl

But whatever, gonna crack down on dcaa a bit, but seems the ones I always tabbed as dcaa'ers are getting off the hook. Guess I'm a fool I dunno.

/me agrees long time.

[Itai]

thank you very much for putting this up for a vote justin. my vote is definitely 2 Week Suspension & 15% removed experience.

But ofcourse, all the people who actually use programs will vote for the 3 Day Suspension, as they want to throw the penalty vote down... but then again, democracy is the best solution :)

[lawlnubs]

so whats gonna happen to the mods who dcaa?

[olympus]

their accounts get deleted

[Shawty]

so whats gonna happen to the mods who dcaa?

Already answered - they will be fired and most prolly suspended!.....thats assuming that they are on the list

[migunit]

I think it's funny that you guys are in here kissing ass and trying to find out who DCAA's when porlly 95% of you have no idea whats going on and how they are "proving" who dcaas. Plain and simple if you don't want to be suspended then don't DCAA.

Im going to continue to play outwar how i play it and if i want to dcaa imma dcaa.

PS ROFL @ TFO's auto skilling. enjoy your suspensions, many more to come


especially on sigil *wink wink*

[Itai]

if i want to dcaa imma dcaa.


omg, did you just confess to using illegal programs? :P

[wizdew]

I voted for 3day just because i dont care if people DCAA. If everyone legit this game would be boreing. I mean, if no one used a DCAA Program then there would be no competition for you and me. So you see?

[Rampid_Justin]

I voted for 3day just because i dont care if people DCAA. If everyone legit this game would be boreing. I mean, if no one used a DCAA Program then there would be no competition for you and me. So you see?

Wait what? lol

[wizdew]

Im saying that, if people didnt use DCAA then OW would have no competition. I mean really, most of the top players use them. So the average legit player has to work to be better than the DCAAer. And thats what rises the activity in DC. If noone used DCAAer's and everyone was legit, then there would be nothing to work for, nothing to prove. Since alot of top players and better players use them, you have something to prove. That you can accomplish something legitly and are better than a program. if that made any sence? :P

[GAGE]

well before u start suspending people u need to tell them what amount of time is acceptable on dcaa so people can stay under them limits lol

[dtpy]

Im saying that, if people didnt use DCAA then OW would have no competition. I mean really, most of the top players use them. So the average legit player has to work to be better than the DCAAer. And thats what rises the activity in DC. If noone used DCAAer's and everyone was legit, then there would be nothing to work for, nothing to prove. Since alot of top players and better players use them, you have something to prove. That you can accomplish something legitly and are better than a program. if that made any sence? :P

sense ? .. kinda .. but not really ....

[wizdew]

Yeah i know. I was in a hurry so i didn't read or put together what i wrote.

[dtpy]

Yeah i know. I was in a hurry so i didn't read or put together what i wrote.

no, i mean .. your logic is wrong.

[wizdew]

Well maybe it is. But thats just what i think.

[ItachiUchiha]

Im saying that, if people didnt use DCAA then OW would have no competition. I mean really, most of the top players use them. So the average legit player has to work to be better than the DCAAer. And thats what rises the activity in DC. If noone used DCAAer's and everyone was legit, then there would be nothing to work for, nothing to prove. Since alot of top players and better players use them, you have something to prove. That you can accomplish something legitly and are better than a program. if that made any sence? :P


Oooooooookay.......Now if it was up to me,...lets just say people would complain because I was TOO harsh lol. But I voted for 2 weeks + 15% exp loss.

[Domination]

2 Week Suspension & 15% removed experience
32% (Avg Lvl: 44)

thats what i voted for, personally i think it should be longer.

[Wizzy]

I voted for 3day just because i dont care if people DCAA. If everyone legit this game would be boreing. I mean, if no one used a DCAA Program then there would be no competition for you and me. So you see?

That's very...interesting. :confused:

So are you implying...cheating is good?

[Egnar]

If noone was using a DCAA people would still DC. . .Competition would still exist.

[setty]

It just sucks that there are people who are so obviously using automatic tools, but nothing gets done to them because they have connections or theyre mods. Like those pesty auto skilling crews on zim that are led by a guy that says is a mod. And then look at most of the mods and you can obviously tell they dont click, click, attack, click enough to grow 100k every day, yet nothing happens to them.

oo and ow dont forget that on your last poll you had 2 choices, both, the Patriots. You failed miserably times two. ;-)

lol @ the suckups in this post.