Sov Items too strong for level requirment.

[ForgottenOne]

Does anyone else feel that the Sov Set has to strong of items for their level requirement.

Im seeing that most of the items are very close if not beating some of the stats of the BRB items.

Since the BRB items are level 60 required I dont understand why items just as strong from dc dont have the same level requirements. If not only for the stats but simply for the fact that BRB items can only be received by spending points and beating raid bosses. Not by a collection quest.

Yes im sure Ill have a whole bunch of lower account complain, But i just feel its bull if they are pretty much the same stats they should have the same level.

[vbx555]

This would defeat the purpose of all the people who got pants and feet at 45 wouldn't it? For the first time, outwar have helped the majority of players who don't spend or can't spend on this game and it seems that most players are happy about this. On a separate note, there is no point having two sets of similar power having the same level requirement. You'd be better off just removing the sov set from the game if you look at it that way. But I doubt that will happen.

Enjoy

[Sypherdias]

Sov set is still weaker the BrB, while people who pay can have the option of doing both, people who cant pay can only do Sov set quest, i think its wonderful we have a set that people will use, but still their are things better then it

[ForgottenOne]

This would defeat the purpose of all the people who got pants and feet at 45 wouldn't it? For the first time, outwar have helped the majority of players who don't spend or can't spend on this game and it seems that most players are happy about this. On a separate note, there is no point having two sets of similar power having the same level requirement. You'd be better off just removing the sov set from the game if you look at it that way. But I doubt that will happen.

Enjoy

Well seeing as how that was idk like 6 months ago I would hope those 45 doing that quest who gained about 2 million exp from it would be close to level 50 by now. or idk who knows 60 maybe. + from what im hearing the 6.5 million exp from this one I dont think someone would have trouble getting to 60 for the requirement.

Like I said Im sure I will have weaker people say how Im wrong. But im just saying it doesn't make sense Why add Level Requirements to Items if they will make items with the same power for weaker people. That doesnt do shit just makes their own items worthless.

[ForgottenOne]

Sov set is still weaker the BrB, while people who pay can have the option of doing both, people who cant pay can only do Sov set quest, i think its wonderful we have a set that people will use, but still their are things better then it

Look at the Neck and Chest. And the RAD helm is close and its not even part of the set.

Not talking about Paying Im talking about stats and Level Requirements. Im sure there are 60s out there who dont pay and do the quest. This isnt a money based argument.

[Sypherdias]

i understand now....ummm, your talking about ALL stats, ok, yah my first look was hp lol, ok I see what ur saying now

yahhhh, i think the pants and boots were fine being level 45 but i think the rest of it should be for 50+ cuse the rest of the sov set is better then the pants and boots.....but by the time you DO the eob you ARE level 50 lol, so really keeping it the same level requirment isnt to bad now is it?

[SexyDutchDude]

They should do the illogical thing by making Kix able to do at 45 or so (after EoB ofc), and make the sov set equipable for 55+ or something...

[Egnar]

Kixx isn't a physical but more a psychological blunder. If kixx had come out before Brb there would be no problem.

As it stands now, because weaker items are coming out after stronger items and because the items these "Super Crews" are selling are being devalued it has became the source of major complaints by these same people.

Had Brb come out after Kixx celestial would be percieved as an upgrade and there would be much less of a problem. . .

Part of the problem, however, also stems from the fact that Rampid refuses to go back to the old item stance that no item can be the best in all stats. If this were the case than Sovereign and Celestial would both have their place to be used and even the junk items like cold steel amuelet and titan's chest would still be used.

[ForgottenOne]

Kixx isn't a physical but more a psychological blunder. If kixx had come out before Brb there would be no problem.

As it stands now, because weaker items are coming out after stronger items and because the items these "Super Crews" are selling are being devalued it has became the source of major complaints by these same people.

Had Brb come out after Kixx celestial would be percieved as an upgrade and there would be much less of a problem. . .


First idk what you mean by psychological because this is the first time my hand has ever hurt from holding the ctrl button bring up tabs while dcing.

Second I dont sell the items, and do not take part in doing BRB. I am just simply stating that if you can dc for better items why pay points for something weaker and that has a higher level requirement. All its doing is making BRB items as valuable as SR and pretty much ruining the point of it

[Egnar]

I don't see how you think Celestial items are weaker than Sovereign items. . .

[ForgottenOne]

Look at the Cold Steel and Strong Titan the Sov items for those slots have just as much if not more in some stats. and I am guessing the head for the SOv set will be better as well seeing how the Rad helm is almost as good as the Black Knights and its not part of the set.

BRB items not the Ces set

[Egnar]

And items like Titans and Cold Steel are the junk drops from Brb. Nobody goes into Brb looking specifically for those items.

[therevolutionx]

Omfg, will you people stop crying about sov items? For the amount of work involved they are fine stats. Is it really that unbearable that lvl 45-60s actually have a decent shot at catching up?

[ForgottenOne]

Omfg, will you people stop crying about sov items? For the amount of work involved they are fine stats. Is it really that unbearable that lvl 45-60s actually have a decent shot at catching up?

No there is nothing wrong with a 45 having a shot. The thing that is stupid as **** is that items of the same power you have to be 15 levels higher to use.

They should just remove the level requirements if they are going to make items like this. There is no point to have BRB be 60+ if people can get items better outside of it and be 45+.

IDC about them having a shot. Its the requirements.

The Admins should change either the BRB to 45 or the SOV to 60.

[ForgottenOne]

My only real complaint is that they are killing the variety of items in the game in which people have. Pretty much every noob under the sun with have a Sov set.

Which is basically being handed to have with 8 million exp. There is no reason to be in a crew and raid gods if everyone has this set now.

[therevolutionx]

The Admins should change either the BRB to 45 or the SOV to 60.


Well then it better be BRB at 45 cause I'm only lvl 55. If they move Sov to 60 im going to flip a shit.

[ItachiUchiha]

My only real complaint is that they are killing the variety of items in the game in which people have. Pretty much every noob under the sun with have a Sov set.

Which is basically being handed to have with 8 million exp. There is no reason to be in a crew and raid gods if everyone has this set now.


If "every noob under the sun" are lvl 45-59 then I wonder what players lvl 0 to 44 are considered since technically, players level 45 to 59 are nowhere near noobish. Even if you were trying to make a point, generalizing it that way is just an epic fail. Also as i said on a thread like this before, you get points for killing a god so technically there still is a point for raiding a god when several lvl 45-59 characters in a crew has full sovereign.

[oXoSIZZLAoXo]

Forget about the damn lvl reqs!!!! ow didnt have these ****ed up reqs until recently.

Im dissapointed with the stats of the sov set so far. whos gives a shit if they are free, you still have to gem the items. these items you have to work for just like the brob items. sorry nick but it seems like they was rushed and thrown together.i hope this wont be tossed aside like the whole woz stuff. and on another note: the rfsboto is suppose to be the best weapon in the game, its not even close. the whole sboto quest is only good for the exp now while brob pwns it.

[ItachiUchiha]

Forget about the damn lvl reqs!!!! ow didnt have these ****ed up reqs until recently.

Im dissapointed with the stats of the sov set so far. whos gives a shit if they are free, you still have to gem the items. these items you have to work for just like the brob items. sorry nick but it seems like they was rushed and thrown together.i hope this wont be tossed aside like the whole woz stuff. and on another note: the rfsboto is suppose to be the best weapon in the game, its not even close. the whole sboto quest is only good for the exp now while brob pwns it.

Hopefully they won't be tossed aside like the War of Zhul stuff but knowing how things are in the game, its eventually gonna happen sooner or later

[oXoSIZZLAoXo]

Probably true. but with things like typpos its easy to get to lvl 70 then with either brob or sov what left will there be?

[lXlAfterShock]

Alright.

Everyone's crying for Sov to be nerfed because it's too close to Celestial.

It's ridiculous. To fully gem any Celestial piece aside from the Reforged Glove, it costs 360 points. Sovereign costs 410. That's an extra 450 points to gem the Sovereign set. If it's going to be nerfed, then it needs to be brought down to Brutal rarity instead of Kingly - or Celestial needs to be taken up. One or the other.

It's good because it's time-consuming as hell to get. Yeah, Celestial is available at 60. Yeah, you have to pay for the crates / runs / etc. You have, however, a 450 point leway against >59 due to the slight gemming issue.

Man. Something good gets put in and guess what, it gets ruined by people who just don't think about things like this. Amazing, damn amazing. Just because you didn't have a chance to work towards something like this when you were 45-59 doesn't mean you should ruin it for those of us who haven't yet made it to the 60+ tier.

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Someone mentioned as well the fact that Celestial outdoes even the RSBOTO. Yet it's still Brutal. What the hell? *sigh* See, this is the thing. This makes things quite a bit easier on anyone 60+, and with the nerfing / King rarity of the Sovereign set, makes things more difficult for the 45-59 bracket (especially with the fact that the economy is going to be a ways down for a while, tyvm).

-DO

[therevolutionx]

Man. Something good gets put in and guess what, it gets ruined by people who just don't think about things like this. Amazing, damn amazing. Just because you didn't have a chance to work towards something like this when you were 45-59 doesn't mean you should ruin it for those of us who haven't yet made it to the 60+ tier.




Omg, THANK YOU! Finally, someone gets it.

And to add, half of the people who are in the 60-70 range only got it so easy because of the exp revamp about a year ago. If you were lvl 59, you basically got lvl 60 for free(bout 15 mil exp), and if you were about 55 or below, you were screwed because of the larger spread of lvls. Thats why Im so bitter towards alot of that lvl range, cause it was total bs.

[ForgottenOne]

Omg, THANK YOU! Finally, someone gets it.

And to add, half of the people who are in the 60-70 range only got it so easy because of the exp revamp about a year ago. If you were lvl 59, you basically got lvl 60 for free(bout 15 mil exp), and if you were about 55 or below, you were screwed because of the larger spread of lvls. Thats why Im so bitter towards alot of that lvl range, cause it was total bs.

Well now wtf does that have to do with anything.

But to what was said before. Im not *****ing because the level 45s now have items that I didnt have when I was a 45.

Im saying that the fact that the items dropped from the BRB raids and Sov set are so close that the Level Requirement should be fixed. As in one goes up or the other down.

And if BRB is lowered they should just make it easier for those who want to do it since they basically killed their value with the Sov.

[AnsemRiku]

Yeah theres already a downfall in brb raiders, now its as good as dead.

[ForgottenOne]

Thats my point no one will pay to do it if they cant sell the shit items to do runs. They killed it like SR

[therevolutionx]

SR was just pure stupidity which screwed everyone. Even if this screws over the BrB raiders at least it helps out lower level people. And besides, its not like the people doing BrB are crying poor or even need the points. Maybe id understand if it was your sole source of income, but I know theres many other sources of points, including god raids themselves.

[SpankySW]

i think all the exp that comes from the EoB + Kix quests makes up or the early level req. by the time u've gone through and done all the quests to get the pieces chances are u'll have gain close to 10 levels so ur not that far from being able to get BrB. i think the new SOV is great. don't change a thing.

[Dentiro]

My only real complaint is that they are killing the variety of items in the game in which people have. Pretty much every noob under the sun with have a Sov set.

Which is basically being handed to have with 8 million exp. There is no reason to be in a crew and raid gods if everyone has this set now.

lol. Anyone else notice that items these days are getting to be like they used to? Remember way back when Cobalt was as good as Sov is now.. Its gettin there.. slowly..

SR was just pure stupidity which screwed everyone. Even if this screws over the BrB raiders at least it helps out lower level people. And besides, its not like the people doing BrB are crying poor or even need the points. Maybe id understand if it was your sole source of income, but I know theres many other sources of points, including god raids themselves.


SR and BrB are still being raided VERY frequently on quiver, and while i know its a new server, it proves that neither are going to die out atleast there.

As long as theirs a market, theirs a demand. As long as theirs a demand, theirs a market. - Mark Cuban

[SoCCo]

why would we spend 5k pts for a brob run that could give us 0 celest items when we can use 5k pts to get fury pots for Sov and still use some of those points for gems/treasury augs.
what did Sov do to ow? it killed all raids, all ow history in the past 4 years. the age of raids is over, the age of multis with SoV that can kill NZ has started, all of u kids that don't know how to play a rather simple game will start to kill gods that u shouldn't be able to touch in your dreams.

anyway, brob is dead, celest is dead, no1 will pay that much to try to get some items that are a bit higher in stats (if not lower) than a free set from DC.
ow market is dead, those that don't buy pts, but raid to sell stuff will go bankrupt, all that used to buy pts to buy better gods won't do it, since they can get 2nd set of the game from dc after they dc for 1 week max.

good job ow, enjoy your game guys, i have better things to do

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SR was just pure stupidity which screwed everyone. Even if this screws over the BrB raiders at least it helps out lower level people. And besides, its not like the people doing BrB are crying poor or even need the points. Maybe id understand if it was your sole source of income, but I know theres many other sources of points, including god raids themselves.

Mr Round 6 vet, back in those days we had no items, no raids, just plain money and pvp. let's see, aren't there like 60-70 raid gods that players can go kill to get items? OW's general idea was about evolution from a noob game with only pvp to a game with a world, mobs, quests, raids & items, same as this goes with the gods, from noob early gods to top gods, it's about evolution, so why do they need sov to have something similar to celest when the diff between lvls and how much u spend to get the full sets is so big ? what's the evolution now? go dc to lvl 45, get sov ? go learn to play ow n00b, don't say such things, what about the god raids? what do they drop beside points? lower lvl accs and new players can raid them easy with new skills, and actually kill them and grow their accounts step by step till the point they can get celestial set.

Alright.

Everyone's crying for Sov to be nerfed because it's too close to Celestial.

It's ridiculous. To fully gem any Celestial piece aside from the Reforged Glove, it costs 360 points. Sovereign costs 410. That's an extra 450 points to gem the Sovereign set. If it's going to be nerfed, then it needs to be brought down to Brutal rarity instead of Kingly - or Celestial needs to be taken up. One or the other.

It's good because it's time-consuming as hell to get. Yeah, Celestial is available at 60. Yeah, you have to pay for the crates / runs / etc. You have, however, a 450 point leway against >59 due to the slight gemming issue.
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Someone mentioned as well the fact that Celestial outdoes even the RSBOTO. Yet it's still Brutal. What the hell? *sigh* See, this is the thing. This makes things quite a bit easier on anyone 60+, and with the nerfing / King rarity of the Sovereign set, makes things more difficult for the 45-59 bracket (especially with the fact that the economy is going to be a ways down for a while, tyvm).

-DO

m8, it costs 5k pts to do a brob run, beside crates ( who cost more than those 450 pts u get from geming diff ) u need 4 flasks + sosa + pumpkin + fort + shroom + other pots, on each acc. there are runs where u get 0-1 celest items, there are runs where u get 2-3 ( most of them ) and good runs where u get 4+. still, to get 7 lifeforces for neck, to get glove/shield, u need more than 1 run, u need 10 runs. so let's see, 10x 5k = 50k pts, now where's the diff between geming sov and celest ? *cough*


btw, all of u who cry that u don't pay for pts and u can't be on top are on the top of the n00bs list.
i never purchased 1 ow point, but still i owned one of the top accs of zimbob server, and now i play on quiver and have a top acc there as well. what's my secret? go raid gods from lowest to highest, grow your acc step by step, if u can buy better stuff, go do it, if not RAID IT. don't cry cause top guys got celest and reforgeds and u have 5 man raids items, they had similar items as u could have if u go easly raid 5 mans, ebliss,brut,anguish,kro,glg,sigil ( and other lf gods for blade ), that's how they got lvl 70 and celest, they never cryed about others cause they had better accounts, they simply raided, dc-ed and got where they are now. with this, i hope all of u n00bs will stop *****ing and for OW staff, pls change the sov set, raise the lvl req to 60 or more, or lower the set bonus and item stats, or make BRoB much easyer and cheaper ( to be able to kill it just with skills so we can only spend pts on crates not on 20 flasks + other pots ).
socco, done & out

[xHuNt3r]

ofc.. sov killed the whole economy... you cant sell anything to anyone.. cause they can get better FOR FREEE!!!!! how would you get pts to gem your beloved set if you cant sell anything?

[wasabi]

SoCCo, its funny how people are saying all the noobs are crying, yet it was the crying of the 'elites' that nerfed sov in the first place. (Personally I would have preferred to buff celestial and up the drop rate instead of nerfing csov, but hey.)

Someone suggested earlier that rampid might just be leveling the playing field for people who dont play/pay as much as the top people in the game and you know what might be next? What if Rampid release a new set of gods and potions? The top players will still take them a majority of the time but noobs will at least have a slim chance as well, and if the items are good enough then after the top accounts get the items they can start selling again.

[SoCCo]

lol

dream on, latest ow releases:
Stone Raven, used to drop tradble items, now only "raid killer" bound
BRoB celest set raid killers bound + other tradble items but lvl req is 60

i bet if ow will release anything new, it would be like Windstrike, still undefeated unless u get like 40 celest sets @ lvl 70 with enhancements and all kind of pots and flasks, cause the damn god has no potion/elemental dmg effect, or if they release a new zone with gods and pots it will cost loads of points as BRoB. either way, release new gods soon? ow never announced anything else but BRoB, EoB, Kix Woods this year, i see nothing new on forums.

how much u want from new items? 2k hp? 1500 atk weps? 500 rpt/ept ? 6k mr ? lol, at this rate in 1 year we'll have 10k hp items and 5k atk weps ( remember old atk/def bonuses on elemental and other items and synge-sigil gods? ).

u'r talking nonsense, and i said that the n00bs will cry if SoV would be changed cause they can't afford to raid GLG to get a slicer to have a decent weapon for better gods. sure m8 as u say, the top guys cry, cause a badass set is avaible for any noob that DCAA-s a multi (main) to lvl 45, why hide the fact that most of u already think about creating new accounts to dc ( dcaa ) to lvl 45 and then do it again and again, get nuff sov multis till u can kill gods that drop high amount of points. ain't that the whole issue here?
Sov kills the god selling market, it kills the whole purpose of raiding, since u can ask members to dc Sov and as a leader of a crew u don't have to worry about awards. Sov kills 5k pts BRoB runs, Sov kills Oblivion set, a set that was made by 2 players so far, also it was a mark of leetness like rfsboto and damn hard items to get. should i go on ?

[BigJRancid]

apparently you've never played another MMO before, gear ALWAYS gets better

[xHuNt3r]

and in other MMOs you were using items that was for your level, you would never see someone 20 levels lower than you wearing things as good as yours... beeing higher level gives you the chance on wearing better items... -.-

[therevolutionx]

and in other MMOs you were using items that was for your level, you would never see someone 20 levels lower than you wearing things as good as yours... beeing higher level gives you the chance on wearing better items... -.-

That logic is flawed. In other MMOs gaining higher levels doesnt rest on you getting better gear. Here, if you cant get good gear, you wont level, at least not quickly.

[ItachiUchiha]

Ok to the idiots who believe that sov killed the economy, guess again. IT WAS ALREADY DEAD BEFORE FULL SOV CAME OUT! How many times must this be said?

[papercut36]

Ok to the idiots who believe that sov killed the economy, guess again. IT WAS ALREADY DEAD BEFORE FULL SOV CAME OUT! How many times must this be said?

true, but now its going to be worse

[xHuNt3r]

That logic is flawed. In other MMOs gaining higher levels doesnt rest on you getting better gear. Here, if you cant get good gear, you wont level, at least not quickly.

oh yes you can... i`ve seen ppl get to 60 like in a month..

[Firestarter]

oh yes you can... i`ve seen ppl get to 60 like in a month..

lol, thanks to typpo, otherwise people won't reach level 60 in years.

[timboy]

i agree it is slightly high but as it A. allows these players to get some really good items and B. it's too late as EOB has been out for ages so a bit too late to go changing level requirements.

[thegoldendemon]

Wow the Kix Woods quest is bout a week old and the sov set is already worthless.

i looked forward of having a good gear and i havent even finished all parts yet and now some noobs that got to much spare time wine bout it being good and then u ( Rampid ) ****ed it up. now im not sure its worth doing on my multis becouse the only good thing out of kix woods is the 6.5 mil exp.


the nerfing but wep i dun wine bout but lowering the set bonus is way to much nerfing.

this kinda crap is the reason why ppl quit ow. even i got plans of quitting just becouse this screw up



if the sov set get half the set bonus u removed + makin the wep as it was when released then it wouldnt be that much problems

[banger357]

thx for wasteing my points on the gems *******s... you wont be getting anymore of my cash

[xHuNt3r]

lol sov = dead

[OMFGsPaZz]

Thanks Rampid :D

[thegoldendemon]

Lately, the Rampid calculator has been malfunctioning a bit and as a result we have adjusted all the new Kix Woods gear to where they should be. To reset to where no one should be harmed, anyone who augmented any of these pieces will have a free augment pack in their backpack. Also, anyone who fully gemmed any of the new items will have a Magic Gem in their backpack at their disposal and if you gemmed your new Kix Woods items with less than four gems, you should have the amount you paid in points refunded to your account.

We're sorry for the confusion and hope you understand this was necessary to maintain the balance of Outwar.


^
no i dun understand and hell no im not happy bout it. wtf is that crap bout "maintain the balance of OutWar"? remove the nerfing boost then cele some then start thinking bout new gods -.- AND STOP ****ING UP -.-

[Shawty]

sov got nerfed again, this thread is pointless now ;)

[Psyphur]

wtf!?!?!?!?!?!? i bust my ass to get this ****ing set buy points to gem it, buy new augs to pimp it and now i get shit out of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shawty]

this needs to be closed as well as the other million ones ur about to get,. lol

[BlackRebel]

thanks alot.

[Shawty]

http://forums.rampidgaming.com/showthread.php?t=7582

[PaasHaaS]

This has quite obviously been fixed. Closed.