Security Image on Skills

[DruiD]

As alot of you know theirs way too many crews auto skilling, put sec images on self-cast skills would prevent this. I'm not talking empower/stealth/bloodlust, I'm talking blessing/fortify/vitaminx/ambush/boost/protection


It's impossible to legitly compete against these auto skillers and a end to it needs to come. Dregnor in under 5 minutes? Yeah right

[simonrobinson]

superb idea druid too many folk rely on skillers do it ow

[Wizzy]

That's an...erm...interesting idea.

[bychman]

Dreg Nor is completely possible in under 5 min's when you have the right accounts, the right people on, and you don't have to move DCAA'ers(druid.)

[infiniterage666]

I'd rather put the image on bloodlust/enfeeble/stealth/empower...Those are the actual skills that take time, not tome/BFA/Fort.

[skydragon666]

LOL it helps if you are actually at the god (Same Room) Not 1 square Above hiding Hoping We Are Sleeping And As Tim Has Said Himself Every 1 in ch is on a break (dcing) OR JUST Dcing lol

[bakwal]

i never saw that Dragons Coat of Assailable Army or dcaa maybe its just a hoax. Is that a rumor or true? how do you start that quest? are the stats really good?

[Wizzy]

It's not that hard to Empower, Bloodlust and Stealth 40 names if you have three people doing it. It'd take a few minutes at most.

[DruiD]

wow, you TFO people got pretty offensive to this subject, imagine that rofl

All I'm saying is the game needs to revert back to the way ti should be, all manual, I believe that'd make the game fun again, I was trying to single out anyone, just doing what thee topic says and that's brainstorm

[jZampage]

I'm not going to argue one point or another, but it is interesting how someone says "Erm, thats an... interesting idea" And are also notorious for extremely... extremely fast raids, I'm not implying anything... at most I'm saying you are just good raiders... really good

Nonetheless I think its a good idea, it only takes a few seconds to do and as a result it makes autoskilling pretty obsolete

[simonrobinson]

It's not that hard to Empower, Bloodlust and Stealth 40 names if you have three people doing it. It'd take a few minutes at most.

you should try that one time w1zzy lol

[skydragon666]

lol there has always been programs and always will be sad 2 say but it's true

[bychman]

you should try that one time w1zzy lol

I have solo'd zertan on rancid and had to cast 38 stealths/emp's. Got it done about 4 minutes.

[simonrobinson]

I have solo'd zertan on rancid and had to cast 38 stealths/emp's. Got it done about 4 minutes.

not by hand u didnt no way u can skill 38 accs with emp stealth and join 38 accs in 4 minutes

[Bloodkitty1st]

not by hand u didnt no way u can skill 38 accs with emp stealth and join 38 accs in 4 minutes

Its actually quite possible, if you store login links, and skill pages links. you can get through 38 accounts in that time, without actually using a Automated program, its all in the ability to read http links.

OW covers most of the up with diverts, but the logins are pure and simple.

[bychman]

Bloodkitty1st said it best. Just depends on how well you make your bookmarks really. And mine, FLAWLESS baby.

[Wizzy]

you should try that one time w1zzy lol

Already have. :p

[jZampage]

w1zzy seems to be the most active in TFO to my knowledge, once he got on a break, TFO's raids seemed to dwindle majorly... so I wouldn't disagree with the fact he raids, how people DO raid in TFO is questionable, but isn't it in any crew? Lets be honest.

[Dante67]

w1zzy seems to be the most active in TFO to my knowledge, once he got on a break, TFO's raids seemed to dwindle majorly...

Please, Sky is easily the most active TFO member. Sits in chat for 16-20 hours at a time -_-. Anyone can validate that.

[DruiD]

Yeah I can't disagree that w1zzy is a good player and like I said I wasn't targetting anyone. All I'm saying is adding those math sec images to those skills would take no longer than it would to click the "Cast SKill" button, yeah adds the prevention of auto programs, and from what I understand, making an OCR for those math secs is almost impossible so that's why I mention them

[jZampage]

Well I don't know TFO chats, as I'm not included, although you can invite me if you'd like :p

On another note, I still think it would be a good idea, REGARDLESS of whether you can join 40 people in a few minutes or not you CANNOT argue people use autoskillers, it may not be TFO, but it is others as well!

[DruiD]

In the end, if you think about my idea, it takes what 1 second to click the "Cast Skill" button? So lets say you add a math sec image in place of the "Cast Skill" button. It's gonna be about the same amount of time to click the correct answers as it would to click the Cast Skill button, so you can't argue with it being a "huge inconvenience" unless your crew auto skills, that's all I'm getting at. if anything, in your ending raid results you should see no more than a 30 second difference than you would seen if the sec image wasn't there, which isn't going to matter because it's the same in all crews

[Champion_]

it doesnt even have to be a word does it... why cant it just be a random square or two that move and you have to click both. i just hate typing the damm words that why BLACK hand on rancid is going so slow.. also due to the 5 min between raids.. all though i dont know why thats there

[simonrobinson]

Please, Sky is easily the most active TFO member. Sits in chat for 16-20 hours at a time -_-. Anyone can validate that.

skydragon666 is definatly the most active tfo member without any doubt its why they wanted him back after he took a break. most of tfo is very inactive.
there are still some members that are active but most accs in tfo are just that accounts there active members are less than 10 who play 4 hrs or more.
sky makes up for half the crew

[Gamer]

we all know every protection outwar makes get cracked by now, how much different images we have had by now? quite some, yust let em be gone because if there are skillers used, everybody can use em and not only the people with leet programmers in their crew that can make an program with leet ocr.

[DruiD]

no, the math sec images were never cracked if I recall, ow just up and adding normal raiding back for whatever reason, dunno if they were paying for the math sec images and then stopped paying and got the service shut off or what, but regardless, those were the best sec images they implemented


Edit: they were half ass cracked, as in, about 20% of the time you'd get a correct response, which is useless as tits on a bull because that means 1 in every 5 attempts will be successful which is slow as hell anyways

[Gamer]

well then sorry for being wrong with that, but it is an fact that most of the security shit got cracked and then it was abused by the crews that had an working app.

[Jifren]

if u want to raid anything, it don't matter what skill you put those on, but it will still hurt everyone who wants to raid. The other problem is that someone would find a way around it, and everyone else would just be out of luck, because they could skill and join, so much faster than everyone else

[DruiD]

nah, it needs implemented, enough said

[Wizzy]

I personally think this would make playing the game too much work and effort just to get an Empower Stealth and Bloodlust. But if this security is to be put back I say just put the security image on its own page and you only have to type it in once and from there you're free to use all the skills on that character.

[DruiD]

Nah, what I mean is empower/stealth/bloodlust should be unrestricted don't really care about that, I just want class skills such as bfa/fort/vitx/ambush/boost/protection sec image protected. The password idea you mentioned doesn't prevent auto programs, programs just have to add 1 more connection to their program and it's auto again, doesn't really solve anything


Edit: now looking back I can see where you're going and I like that, a sec image on it's own page to unlock skills, that's actually a good idea can't really complain about that, only problem is I think it can still be automated by going through all accounts unlocking skills then running a skiller, I dunno might be wrong

[Wizzy]

It's not a "password" idea. Its still a security IMAGE (be it like it is now or math), it's just you'd only have to do it once (to get into the skills [cast_skills.php] page in the first place and from there you'd be able to use whatever skills freely).

[MothaFocker]

Personally I wish Ow would go back to the "click the word" sec images and not this catchya thing because catchya it slow to do and dosnt works alot of the time or you cant read them.

[bluedthunder]

If one can make an ocr for the images, it doesn't matter if it's on the first page or every page of skilling, it will be bypassed. I admire your effort to stop the auto skillers and I would support the security images, if and only if, they're actually readable, unlike the current one for the raid pages, where you can't read half of the words.

[Wizzy]

I don't think anyone has cracked the current one as yet. Except maybe on Zimbob.

[Kourtney]

Good idea, though Im not a fan of the captcha bit either :\

If only there was an untapped way of security.. not an image nor a security password, but something deeper.. hmm

[Wizzy]

CHICKENS! ^_^

[DruiD]

I'd rather sec be on all self cast skills, seems more safe to me - sick of not being able to compete because of no skiller. And knowing the second you make a skiller you'd get suspended (same thing that happened to us with aj, trying to keep up with the others and end up being the ones suspended)

[madmuis]

Why not putting a second word on everythign right away then !

[Wizzy]

I'd rather sec be on all self cast skills, seems more safe to me - sick of not being able to compete because of no skiller. And knowing the second you make a skiller you'd get suspended (same thing that happened to us with aj, trying to keep up with the others and end up being the ones suspended)

So you tried to cheat cheating by cheating? :confused:

My point was. If you do put security images on skills, just do it on the first page and from there it'll let you in all the rest of the skills on that character - it'd do the same job as if you put it on all the skills with less the hassle of having to type in the image for every skill.

[Kourtney]

lol madmius that would ruin the point of the second word. We already need username + pass to log in, if every single page is sec-word protected, wed need all 3 to even log in. Ohh well

[jZampage]

It's a fine idea w1zzy, basically the same, considering if you have a ling with stealth you are probably going to have just stealth and either a purify or hitman or whatever, at least thats the case with my lings -- I don't have more then 1 beneficial skill on them unless its a cleanse and stealth or puri or w/e the point being.

I think it still addresses the issue and you can't argue some crews use them - the point is in the numbers. Look recently at some of the biggest newb crews on sigil, like top 25, and now they are top 5... it's not because they all of a sudden decided to become uber active, its because they got an AJ or auto skiller. No one can argue that point, and you all know its true to some extent with many different crews. I'll with hold from saying names as to not cause an uproar. :)

But adding sec images to skills needs to be done -- you can enter it on skills, or whenever you get on the account -- NOT THE RGA, the ACCOUNT -- that would provide 25 skills for one sec word, which in effect would be the same it is now.

[Wizzy]

That sounds reasonable. As long as we don't have to do the security image for EVERY skill one by one.

[skydragon666]

ya sounds kick ass

[DruiD]

So you tried to cheat cheating by cheating? :confused:

My point was. If you do put security images on skills, just do it on the first page and from there it'll let you in all the rest of the skills on that character - it'd do the same job as if you put it on all the skills with less the hassle of having to type in the image for every skill.



Yea, we tried to cheat your 8 second god raids, but making our own joiner to do 8 second god raids, but that's neither here nor there lol

Anyways, what I was saying is if you do the password idea of yours, you would login, go on each account and click the security word, then after that, everything is open to run a skiller on those accounts, it doesn't prevent anything

[Wizzy]

Oh yeah because that's not better than having no security word nor having to click an image for EVERY skill.

[AlmightyEvil]

What about if skill IDs changed every hour to completely random numbers on every account, no idea if it would work just an idea lol

[Wizzy]

It won't work because I'm pretty sure a program can be made to read the source and grab the new ID.

[skydragon666]

Programers > ow
will always be this way programers are better than all gaming staff for every game every game has hacks cheats exploits

[bluedthunder]

Programers > ow
will always be this way programers are better than all gaming staff for every game every game has hacks cheats exploits

lol so true, alot easier to program a cheat, than the gaming staffs to prevent it.

[Hairyrasal]

what would happen to a trustee account if this happened?

[DruiD]

With my idea it's the exact same thing as the setup is now, but instead of when you click a skill and seeing a Cast Skill button, there will be a sec image to click instead. So everything is the same, only difference is the people have to earn their auto skillers now. So trustees won't be effected as it's the same idea as the Cast Skill button, with the assurance that auto skillers will be nullified 99% of the time

[Wizzy]

Isn't there an OCR already made for those sec images where you have to click the double word? Or do you mean you'll see a sec image to TYPE.

[DruiD]

Yeah I know someone had an OCR for those old double word images, I'm just talking something like the math images if possible, those seem like they would be the hardest to make an OCR for. But then again, I wouldn't know where to start on making an OCR, way too advanced for me.

All I'm asking is (no I'm not accusing you of auto skiller) for a level playing field again. I'm sure their are crews who are using them on a day to day basis and it's not really fair to those who don't have them. It really takes the fun of the game away and what not.

Here's an example: back when sec images first came off of raids, FW came out of nowhere and was winning gods and what not, they made it obvious they were AJing, and it made a lot of crews say screw it, cuz they knew their was no way of competing. But I see you talking about lag created and I'm with you on that, I don't want something that's going ot lag the game worse than it already is, but I don't see a way around it

[Frozt007]

I think a have to type Sec Image on all skills is good. Posi skills aren't the only auto-skillers, too many people have 150+ SD accounts they script on people.

I've had it ran on me and it makes the game a little hard to enjoy, so Sec Image skills? I'm down for that.

Good post, DruiD :D

~FroztMod

[DruiD]

That's a good point I over looked frozt. I was writing this topic for the skills used on dregnor and what not, I never really seen the other side of things of people auto skilling negative skills, thanks for bring that up, will help to get this seen a few more times I hope and eventually added :)

[jZampage]

I don't see a reason as to why it shouldn't be implemented. It literally takes about 2 seconds to type a couple words in, and you don't even have to get either right, you just have to have enough letters close enough at least in my experience. The disturbing point is, I wouldn't be surprised if there were updates to make it even easier to auto skill, and the excuse would be "NEWS - we have removed [insert something that causes no lag] to increase server speed and a decrease in lag, enjoy!"

[DruiD]

I know this idea won't get added, but I brought it up in hopes.

Not making this personal or anything, but there for 2 months straight crews were beating gods in the 10 - 15 second range. The very first time we did it (CH), to even the playing field we were suspended for a week. So that goes to show that you're not allowed to "even the playing field" but instead have to sit back, watch it happen knowing you aren't able to do anything about it because you're gonna get shut down because of it.

To me, this was the best way to even things out, but then again, I don't want the hassle of lag either, so it's a double edged sword

[Wizzy]

Noone cares about you Druid :p.

I don't see a reason as to why it shouldn't be implemented. It literally takes about 2 seconds to type a couple words in, and you don't even have to get either right, you just have to have enough letters close enough at least in my experience. The disturbing point is, I wouldn't be surprised if there were updates to make it even easier to auto skill, and the excuse would be "NEWS - we have removed [insert something that causes no lag] to increase server speed and a decrease in lag, enjoy!"

True, but it gets annoying because typing the security words out for all 8 skills to get fully skilled up is pretty annoying and bothersome.

[DruiD]

yea I definately wouldn't want it to be a recaptcha haha, couldn't even begin to think of how annoying that'd be

I know no one cares about me :( I fixed my post btw - wasn't right of me to include names :p