How to slow down dcaa's

[snake]

i dont know about all you but i think dcaa's have killed the game nobody cares about the game any more when they can just press start and leave for the day. while people that do play the game legit sit here in the server lag caused by the dcaa's so this is my idea

i have allready told this to se7en and he said the programmer is going to add it so waiting for it to be put in to the game.

If you have a full back pack it would no longer give you exp you would lose exp from atacking mobs with a full back pack. so would be like this

YahoosSnake gained 0 strength
YahoosSnake has a full back pack so lost 42 experience!

People say well programmers will just add somethen to auto drop items or auto vault items there dcaa finds well vaults are only so big and for the auto drop who would be dumb enough to put there sec word in a program to auto drop items all i would do is use my 25 sunder armor accounts on people that i know running dcaa's yes they are easy to find. so it unequiped there items and there dcaa's Droped there items for them. :)

[simonrobinson]

love the idea simple as
hec

[chnseboi35]

But what about people just DCing really quickly and not caring what they pick up so they just ignore their backpack? They'd start losing experience, start complaining, and start ranting about how Outwar needs to reimburse them the experience.

[bychman]

But what about people just DCing really quickly and not caring what they pick up so they just ignore their backpack? They'd start losing experience, start complaining, and start ranting about how Outwar needs to reimburse them the experience.

I can dc boats, and all of stizzy before filling my bag in about 10 mins. Theres about a 5 minute lag between respawns in which I can clear my bag. I don't think thats a viable excuse for a full BP imo.

[MightySephiroth]

People could also have a full backpack from the beginning, from skill pants and gods for certains raids etc. So having a full backpack shouldnt deny you exp

[snake]

But what about people just DCing really quickly and not caring what they pick up so they just ignore their backpack? They'd start losing experience, start complaining, and start ranting about how Outwar needs to reimburse them the experience.

the last time i checked it only took about 30 secs to clear back pack and about 30 mins to fill it mobs dont respawn fast enough to keep attacking

[simonrobinson]

the reason ow released orb n potion bpacks was so u had room for items and pants so snakes idea is really good to stop dcaa hence noobs growing stupid amounts each day

[Wizzy]

i dont know about all you but i think dcaa's have killed the game nobody cares about the game any more when they can just press start and leave for the day. while people that do play the game legit sit here in the server lag caused by the dcaa's so this is my idea

i have allready told this to se7en and he said the programmer is going to add it so waiting for it to be put in to the game.

If you have a full back pack it would no longer give you exp you would lose exp from atacking mobs with a full back pack. so would be like this

YahoosSnake gained 0 strength
YahoosSnake has a full back pack so lost 42 experience!

People say well programmers will just add somethen to auto drop items or auto vault items there dcaa finds well vaults are only so big and for the auto drop who would be dumb enough to put there sec word in a program to auto drop items all i would do is use my 25 sunder armor accounts on people that i know running dcaa's yes they are easy to find. so it unequiped there items and there dcaa's Droped there items for them. :)



Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. I think people are stupid enough to put in their security words in programs to auto-clear backpacks. LOL.

[snake]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. I think people are stupid enough to put in their security words in programs to auto-clear backpacks. LOL.

yea i forgot you were the one that gave your login and sec word to someone on aim cause they said they were a tfo leader wasnt it? lmao

[champ]

Lovin it, no more dcaa nubs passing me.

[Wizzy]

yea i forgot you were the one that gave your login and sec word to someone on aim cause they said they were a tfo leader wasnt it? lmao


It was over a leader's YIM which was hacked! Thank you very much! :rolleyes:

[snake]

It was over a leader's YIM which was hacked! Thank you very much! :rolleyes:

Hence why you are NEVER suppose to give your login and sec to ANYONE

[Wizzy]

It wasn't mine :) It was a person posing as the owner of the account and acted like the owner and didn't give me reason to believe it was a fake so I gave "them" their own info.

[simonrobinson]

It wasn't mine :) It was a person posing as the owner of the account and acted like the owner and didn't give me reason to believe it was a fake so I gave "them" their own info.

giving folk on yim there own info thats priceless w1zzy

[Wizzy]

Under circumstances...they often did ask for their own information because they tended to lose it. LOL

ANYWAYS! BACK ON TOPIC HOMOS!

[PlayaFoSho]

This WILL NOT happen. It would negate the whole point of exp boost. If you have to take a 2 minutes every 5 minutes to empty your backpack the boost would be wasted and pointless.

no one would use them anymore because of this so outwar would lose money. hense why they wont ever do this.

[snake]

Under circumstances...they often did ask for their own information because they tended to lose it. LOL

ANYWAYS! BACK ON TOPIC HOMOS!


They should of never gave you there login is the point lmao so that proves the point people are Stupid Enough :)

[Bloodkitty1st]

well I don't use an Auto Attacker, and I never empty my backpack.
why you ask?

I'm not trying to pick up anything in DC, i'm purely interested in growing. Why should I have to stop myself losing experience by having to empty my backpack?

[simonrobinson]

This WILL NOT happen. It would negate the whole point of exp boost. If you have to take a 2 minutes every 5 minutes to empty your backpack the boost would be wasted and pointless.

no one would use them anymore because of this so outwar would lose money. hense why they wont ever do this.

exp boost is useless anyway and like snake said xp boost lasts 15 mins your bp doesnt fill up in 15 mins or every 2 mins like u quote

of course ow could just cap growth each day to a maximum based on folks levels EG lv70 can grow 700k max lv50 500k max so on

[DruiD]

The bottom line is like snake said an end needs to come to dcaa's, it turns down the gameplay/fun of the game and further invites more program use because people are pressing in order to win a god cuz their crew is absent. All and all the server is slower than ever, the game is more boring than ever and putting math images back on everything, don't care how annoying they are, they do their job the best of any of the others

[simonrobinson]

well I don't use an Auto Attacker, and I never empty my backpack.
why you ask?

I'm not trying to pick up anything in DC, i'm purely interested in growing. Why should I have to stop myself losing experience by having to empty my backpack?

auto attacker doesnt fill ya backpack bro

[Bloodkitty1st]

exp boost is useless anyway and like snake said xp boost lasts 15 mins your bp doesnt fill up in 15 mins or every 2 mins like u quote

of course ow could just cap growth each day to a maximum based on folks levels EG lv70 can grow 700k max lv50 500k max so on

I can fill my backpack up within 5 minutes...
another reason, I never bother discarding everything in it.

[simonrobinson]

I can fill my backpack up within 5 minutes...
another reason, I never bother discarding everything in it.

buy a bigger backpack then

[Bloodkitty1st]

So now I have to spend points, so I don't lose EXP whilst DCing?
am I the only one that sees the HUGE flaw in this?

I only get a little time on Outwar now-a-days with Work and life co-inciding, so when I do come on I try to maximise how much I can get done, if I spend all this time emptying backpacks.

I may aswell give up on DC forever, using points as an excuse to implement a new system is a really bad idea.

[DruiD]

I can fill my backpack up within 5 minutes...
another reason, I never bother discarding everything in it.

And that's because of DCAA, which this post is trying to eliminate, you're digging a hole lol

[simonrobinson]

So now I have to spend points, so I don't lose EXP whilst DCing?
am I the only one that sees the HUGE flaw in this?

I only get a little time on Outwar now-a-days with Work and life co-inciding, so when I do come on I try to maximise how much I can get done, if I spend all this time emptying backpacks.

I may aswell give up on DC forever, using points as an excuse to implement a new system is a really bad idea.

the game is based on players spending money there are many ways to earn pts without reaching into your pocket.

[Egnar]

DCAA's need to be eliminated without destroying the integrity of other players. When I DC I don't clear my backup for a good 15-20 minutes. Of which i'm usually already full. Also since the majority of people don't stick around to read the messages they'd have to check every minute or so for a full backpack, mearly a nuisance.

[link3254]

make it so you dont gain exp with full backpack.... then you if you do accedently forget to empty it you dont loose exp.....or if you pay for dcer (using trustee)

[Wizzy]

How do you have a dcer dc for you via trustee?

As far as I remember, you cannot attack via trustee.

[bluedthunder]

I don't see what the big deal is, as tim said, it only takes 30 seconds to empty your backpack, unless of course you use a dcaa yourself and don't want this rule enforced. 30 seconds is NOT a very long time and definitely will not ruin your run or anything else.

[SnIpEuOuT]

well I don't use an Auto Attacker, and I never empty my backpack.
why you ask?

I'm not trying to pick up anything in DC, i'm purely interested in growing. Why should I have to stop myself losing experience by having to empty my backpack?

Spending 30 seconds every 5-10 minutes dropping your items won't slow you down and if it can stop other people from cheating then its worth it.

[Kourtney]

I think making the exp go neg is a bit harsh, but to maybe just halt gaining any, just killing mobs with no result (no exp, and no items since bag is full) might be cool

[KingJB]

thats a stupid idea not because of the fact of DCAAS, but because people who use Daily Grind + other pots, cant stop in the middle of a run to check the BP, even how fast it fills up...

[Wizzy]

Sure they can. They just wouldn't want to.

[darkpoey]

How about.. just get a please clear your backpack error message when you're full and dcing. When i'm dcing, I don't keep track of my backpack. I would attack a whole lot of mobs and see myself losing exp.

As for Exp grind/Exp boost, maybe something could be made to pause the timer on it when you're backpack is full.

[Mully]

Sounds cool, but the drop rate on the items you find in dc needs to be reduced, even if this isn't implemented. I find it rather ridiculous to be getting 150hp items dropping in dc... They serve no purpose at all...

[Domination]

how about the rings, no stats on those at all

[althar]

thats what a vault is for

[ForgottenOne]

i dont know about all you but i think dcaa's have killed the game nobody cares about the game any more when they can just press start and leave for the day. while people that do play the game legit sit here in the server lag caused by the dcaa's so this is my idea

i have allready told this to se7en and he said the programmer is going to add it so waiting for it to be put in to the game.

If you have a full back pack it would no longer give you exp you would lose exp from atacking mobs with a full back pack. so would be like this

YahoosSnake gained 0 strength
YahoosSnake has a full back pack so lost 42 experience!

People say well programmers will just add somethen to auto drop items or auto vault items there dcaa finds well vaults are only so big and for the auto drop who would be dumb enough to put there sec word in a program to auto drop items all i would do is use my 25 sunder armor accounts on people that i know running dcaa's yes they are easy to find. so it unequiped there items and there dcaa's Droped there items for them. :)

Well I think that is kinda dumb becasue I have lings that are full with Ost and Champ and if im dcing with them im not really looking to empty the bp for them since they are at a low enough level that dropping the items would be a waste when they would just not be put into my bp becasue its full.

Just becasue its full doesnt mean there is a program, they might just be lazy

[ForgottenOne]

Sounds cool, but the drop rate on the items you find in dc needs to be reduced, even if this isn't implemented. I find it rather ridiculous to be getting 150hp items dropping in dc... They serve no purpose at all...

I agree the Items you get from hitting a level 60 mob would only help out a level 30 now you should at least increase the stats to make people give the items a second look

[Wizzy]

100% agreed. What drops in DC needs to revised and drop rates changed.

[Jaryd2006]

Lol I kinda made a topic about this, Here it is if anyone is interested. Its about dropped item filtering basically.

http://forums.rampidgaming.com/showthread.php?t=30

[mjhoagland]

This is a ridiculous idea. The second you start penalizing people for speed playing you IMMEDIATELY eliminate all the power gamers. I'm talking about both the legit and illegitimate ones. I have a cable connection, so 10+ Mb/s, with a dual core 3.0 GHz machine and the rest of a system to match it. So, therefore, I can DC OW pretty ****in quick.

I can go through 2 Recharge the Fury potions in the time it takes for a single 30 minute Major Exp Boost potion to expire. That translates to about 40,000 rage in 30 minutes and that's legitimate points and clicks with my mouse by my hand guided by my eye. COMPLETELY LEGIT. That also translates in about 120k to 150k exp in 30 minutes with enough loot to probably fill my BP about 3 times over or more. Don't argue with me on this. I've done it. And, as I said, it's completely legit.

NOW! If I start losing experience this way then I'm going to be pretty pissed. I spend points for the potions and money for the kick ass comp and connection I have and I expect to be able to use it. The solution isn't complexity on top of complexity. If OW wants my .02 on how to fix the problem, and yes I've fixed problems like this before, then they'll private message me on here or on OW.

[Wizzy]

Wow. You truly are a gifted child. I admire your dedication to DC.

[ForgottenOne]

I don't see what the big deal is, as tim said, it only takes 30 seconds to empty your backpack, unless of course you use a dcaa yourself and don't want this rule enforced. 30 seconds is NOT a very long time and definitely will not ruin your run or anything else.

Well idk about everyone else but if augs drop i look at those if pants drop i look at those. and Im human so i sometimes (about 4 times aday) hit the wrong button when going over the items in my bp and I end up equping an item instead of dropping it.

Now if they change the way we drop Items I wont have any complaints about this, becasue it is a pain in the ass to have to redo every item you have selected every time you hit a wrong button.

And if with all that if you can do it in 30 seconds you have the best connection ever and id say using a program

[ForgottenOne]

This is a ridiculous idea. The second you start penalizing people for speed playing you IMMEDIATELY eliminate all the power gamers. I'm talking about both the legit and illegitimate ones. I have a cable connection, so 10+ Mb/s, with a dual core 3.0 GHz machine and the rest of a system to match it. So, therefore, I can DC OW pretty ****in quick.

I can go through 2 Recharge the Fury potions in the time it takes for a single 30 minute Major Exp Boost potion to expire. That translates to about 40,000 rage in 30 minutes and that's legitimate points and clicks with my mouse by my hand guided by my eye. COMPLETELY LEGIT. That also translates in about 120k to 150k exp in 30 minutes with enough loot to probably fill my BP about 3 times over or more. Don't argue with me on this. I've done it. And, as I said, it's completely legit.

NOW! If I start losing experience this way then I'm going to be pretty pissed. I spend points for the potions and money for the kick ass comp and connection I have and I expect to be able to use it. The solution isn't complexity on top of complexity. If OW wants my .02 on how to fix the problem, and yes I've fixed problems like this before, then they'll private message me on here or on OW.

I Dc like that when I need to level but idk if i could use that many potions not becasue of the rage but becase of the points needed to do it

[mjhoagland]

I Dc like that when I need to level but idk if i could use that many potions not becasue of the rage but becase of the points needed to do it
I'm the same way. It's not like I do it everyday but about once a month or so I'll get the urge to DC like a mofo.

[ForgottenOne]

I'm the same way. It's not like I do it everyday but about once a month or so I'll get the urge to DC like a mofo.

Yeah I did it to hit 61 but now im back to potions since i can do 3 runs and be done for like 7 hours

[J.Christ]

People could also have a full backpack from the beginning, from skill pants and gods for certains raids etc. So having a full backpack shouldnt deny you exp

if you have a full bp from skill pants and "certain" gods for raids, then you obviously dont know how to play outwar. because you need maybe 3 pairs of skills pants, and maybe your sr gear in there, that still leaves like 20 empty spots.

[snake]

it is so funny how many people are putting this idea is down there is 2 ways of getting rid of dcaa's 1 this way what wont totaly stop them but will slow them down alot, a nother way would be to put sec images back on dca mobs would you guys rather have that. i know i would rather clear my back pack every 30 mins then having to type in sec words every attack but hell if you noobs wanna cry about it owell im almost lvl 70 so ic ould care less what they do.

[striker373]

i mainly potion hunt, so it doesnt matter if they put the sec words back in, but i prefer the losing exp, its only fair for those that use dcaa to get the opposite of they want, but for those that dc legit, it only takes a few seconds to clear a bp so whats the big deal? lol.

[Domination]

I like the idea, when i pot hunt i clean my backpack out after every loop around the badlands, so this wouldn't really cause any issues for me.

[mjhoagland]

It's retarded. The more you demand of the user to use the system the less users you'll get. It's complexity vs usability. That's program and application design 101.

And snake... since you're almost level 70 why don't you shut up? If you don't care then don't voice your opinion. And no, those aren't the only two options.

[Kourtney]

Yeesh all this butting heads over one issue lol. I still stand by the idea of just getting NO exp(not negative), or to simply be stopped from attacking.

*imagines a little man holding an overstuffed backpack trying to kill a rat*

It just doesnt work. So it shouldnt work in DC either. "Please clear your backpack to continue hunting in DC"

[mjhoagland]

I'm arguing about this because I REFUSE to let the voice of a couple people speak for me when I think opposite of them. I think it's a bad idea and if Rampid is going to make decisions for everyone based on these ideas and opinions then mine should be heard as well. That about sums it up.

[DruiD]

hoagland, got eat a midol or 2, re-evaluate the situation and then come back lmao. This is a brainstorm section, no one said this stuff gets added, it's just users opinions on how something can get fixed. So go pull your diaper out of your ass cuz it's obviously riding up on you, and chill.

[snake]

lol mj you a little mad that your going to have to press Stop? aww i feel for you NOT it takes 10 secs to drop everything in your backpack. so saying it isnt a good idea admits you use a dcaa' lmao

[snake]

This is a ridiculous idea. The second you start penalizing people for speed playing you IMMEDIATELY eliminate all the power gamers. I'm talking about both the legit and illegitimate ones. I have a cable connection, so 10+ Mb/s, with a dual core 3.0 GHz machine and the rest of a system to match it. So, therefore, I can DC OW pretty ****in quick.

I can go through 2 Recharge the Fury potions in the time it takes for a single 30 minute Major Exp Boost potion to expire. That translates to about 40,000 rage in 30 minutes and that's legitimate points and clicks with my mouse by my hand guided by my eye. COMPLETELY LEGIT. That also translates in about 120k to 150k exp in 30 minutes with enough loot to probably fill my BP about 3 times over or more. Don't argue with me on this. I've done it. And, as I said, it's completely legit.

NOW! If I start losing experience this way then I'm going to be pretty pissed. I spend points for the potions and money for the kick ass comp and connection I have and I expect to be able to use it. The solution isn't complexity on top of complexity. If OW wants my .02 on how to fix the problem, and yes I've fixed problems like this before, then they'll private message me on here or on OW.

you are using that much rage because you forget to set your rage range on yoru dcaa so your killing mobs that take 5k rage there is no way you can do 40k rage in 30 mins mobs dont spawn that fast so think before you speak

[mjhoagland]

snake > it doesn't admit jack. So stop trying to throw a curve ball and actually come up with a rebuttal instead of "you know you're guilty anyway" type of b.s.

DruiD > And I quote myself "I think it's a bad idea and if Rampid is going to make decisions for everyone based on these ideas and opinions then mine should be heard as well." I didn't say they included everything here. I quite clearly stated these were all opinions that we're giving here so stop putting words in my mouth.

[DruiD]

get back on topic little kid, you got busted for dcaa and you're taking it out on me, not my fault - if you're this worked up over the stop of dcaa's then you have some issues. It's impossible to grow 150k in 30 minutes I don't care what connection your on lmao

But back on topic, I agree that something needs to be done about dcaa'ers like hoagland and the others - and math sec images are the solution if none of the other stuff can be agreed upon

[mjhoagland]

you are using that much rage because you forget to set your rage range on yoru dcaa so your killing mobs that take 5k rage there is no way you can do 40k rage in 30 mins mobs dont spawn that fast so think before you speak
Excuse the **** me? Did you not read my post or did you go off your 2nd grade analysis? I can take out the ENTIRE Space Ranger section in under 30 minutes. After that I can move on to the Stizzy Waterway area in about 10 seconds. Once there I can clear out most of it, not including the sewers with the same Major Rage potion.

So stop scanning my posts for keywords and numbers you think can use against me and actually read what I say.

[DruiD]

dude, last I remember unless this got changed, the mobs in the space ranger place are like 50+ rage each and only give 30 exp or something, so I dunno where the hell you're going, but you're really making a fool of yourself

[mjhoagland]

Hmmm.... Major Exp Boost? 30 Exp = 60 Exp? Totally plausible.

Also, the drop 50 and 60 exp as well. Not to mention the water ways and badlands. You've got to take the whole situation into view before you say it's impossible.

[snake]

Attack! (100 rage) from mobs in space ranger so that is 400 mobs you can attack to use 40k rage sorry to tell you this but this isnt the smartest place to be dcing with exp boost on lmao your using 100 rage to get about 70 to 80 exp wow you rocking poor management there

[DruiD]

ok, lets do some math real quick,

40000/50 = 800

80 * 60 = 48000

so I'm still wondering where you're getting this 150k every 30 minutes using 40000 rage. Just face it bro, you use dcaa, you hit all areas and you grow decent, could of just been left at that, but you had to get on your high horse, so whatever you brought it all on yourself

[mjhoagland]

Dude don't you get it? 50 and 60 exp with that potion now equals 100 and 120 PER MOB. Take EVERYTHING into consideration I said. EVERYTHING.

[snake]

Dude don't you get it? 50 and 60 exp with that potion now equals 100 and 120 PER MOB. Take EVERYTHING into consideration I said. EVERYTHING.

120 exp per mob times 400 mobs you can kill does not equal 150k exp i know you might need a calc to do it but you can do it

[Kourtney]

Rawr. You guys are more p!ssy than me on my period. Phew....


Excuse me?

Hehehehe sorry that just made me giggle for some reason. OK enough with the off-topic.

Who cares who can do what in dc, or ..whatever.. its a nice idea, some people like it, some dont, some have other suggestions(like me with being unable to atk with full bag)......but like usual, people have to bring in personal attacks and insults :mad:

[DruiD]

lmao dude, you just said 30 = 60, now you'/re going to double it again by saying 60 = 120? Don't you think before you type?

[Havok420]

Stop wasting your time talking to idiots, you guys are bickering back and fourth like little kids. stfu already. For the sake of me reading all of it, i dont want any else have to endure both your guys crying, and b****ing about it.

No u cant get that much exp in 30 minutes, downright impossible, i beleive u can get 150k EASILY in one day(even more) you just exaderated a little bit..

And the other dude. If he is using Dcaa, He'll get caught. Touch Yout Nose, and worry about yourself, I do understand your concern for dcaa users, as it lags up the server, but sheesh, let them get cought, you making allegations against him in the forum doesnt prove a thing. If he does. let him get cought, i dont see a @ in from of your name

Snake <33(im in ur chat on shadowfire) guess who it is


Now children play nice

[DruiD]

Ah man, you just ruined my fun.... way more fun than boring ol' ow is anymore :(

[mjhoagland]

Am I surrounded by retards here? Not every mob does 50 or 60 base exp. Some do 65, I've even gotten 70 off a few. Also, not every mob takes 50 rage, some take 35, some 40. You would have to take every mob individually into consideration. So stop trying to prove to yourself that you're smart. Actually you're grossly ignorant by the kind of assumptions you're making.

[DruiD]

I guess I am an idiot, cuz I can't see where you're getting at with anything you say, you continuously contradict yourself and then try to regain your dignity by attempting a flame on me that just makes you look like more of a dumbass because it doesn't coincide with anything you previously said. Damn now I feel smart :)

[Havok420]

Am I surrounded by retards here? Not every mob does 50 or 60 base exp. Some do 65, I've even gotten 70 off a few. Also, not every mob takes 50 rage, some take 35, some 40. You would have to take every mob individually into consideration. So stop trying to prove to yourself that you're smart. Actually you're grossly ignorant by the kind of assumptions you're making.

You My friend are showing an even bigger ignorance, by falling into his. Not calling you ignorant, but ignorance is bliss bro, and if u lead into with your words, your similar to him.

We all know that mobs have differant exp, did that need to be said?

[mjhoagland]

So for each mob you take:
(baseExp * 2) * numOfLikeMobs
You do this for each mob that gives the same amount of exp and add them all together.

Then:
maxRage * 3 - rageFromEachMob
So, because we have 2 max rage potions we take our max rage time 3 since we're starting with rage at max when we start this whole processes.

Do I need to break things down like this each time?

[DruiD]

Nah none of what you say makes any sense to the purpose of this topic so I'm done arguing with you, thanks for keeping me entertained for the past half hour though - was way better than ow

[Havok420]

So for each mob you take:
(baseExp * 2) * numOfLikeMobs
You do this for each mob that gives the same amount of exp and add them all together.

Then:
maxRage * 3 - rageFromEachMob
So, because we have 2 max rage potions we take our max rage time 3 since we're starting with rage at max when we start this whole processes.

Do I need to break things down like this each time?

lmao. o god save us

[mjhoagland]

lmao. o god save us
I'm a programmer. It's what I do. Oh well, I'm done.

[Kourtney]

Oookay back to the real topic. Time for some quote-replying


i dont know about all you but i think dcaa's have killed the game nobody cares about the game any more when they can just press start and leave for the day.Yessir I think we all agree timmy. even that one guy



while people that do play the game legit sit here in the server lag caused by the dcaa'sI think some of the lag is just general speed of ow, and AJs if they do exist, since ow lags like hell everytime Sigil spawns :\ But no lie programs add to it.


i have allready told this to se7en and he said the programmer is going to add it so waiting for it to be put in to the game.Orly? Thatd be amazing if a brand new idea is already being thought about by mods :)


If you have a full back pack it would no longer give you exp you would lose exp from atacking mobs with a full back pack. Okay... little harsh, I think maybe just halting any exp gain would be just as effective as taking it away.


for the auto drop who would be dumb enough to put there sec word in a program to auto drop itemsLast time I knew they already had to put in their real login to use a dcaa :eek: scary and dumb


all i would do is use my 25 sunder armor accounts on people that i know running dcaa's yes they are easy to find. so it unequiped there items and there dcaa's Droped there items for them.Wow that is evil as hell, but effective lol.

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Ok Im done. Did everybody calm down and realize that opposite opinions being thrown at eachother will do nothing but p!ss you off more and more? lol.. Im goin to bed. Nitenite timmy

[striker373]

more math, lets see, u say 150000 in 30 mins? thats 5000 exp per minute, 2500 without an exp booster, so lets say ur using ur precious exp booster, and ur mobs r giving u 50 per hit, thats 100 mobs per minute? (umm... dont think so, theres not one place in stizzy that u can hit 100 mobs in under a minute legit, 3 or 4 minutes maybe) maybe u should've done your math before you told us this waste of time of a bed time story

[snake]

oh no he is a programmer we all better just shut up he knows more then all of us oh wait im a programmer also and so is druid.

[mjhoagland]

Keep talking. I'm done. Good night, n00b.

[HellSteed]

im bored and sleepy ... and going to make some coffe so timmy be nice to people :D

[nhake]

more math, lets see, u say 150000 in 30 mins? thats 5000 exp per minute, 2500 without an exp booster, so lets say ur using ur precious exp booster, and ur mobs r giving u 50 per hit, thats 100 mobs per minute? (umm... dont think so, theres not one place in stizzy that u can hit 100 mobs in under a minute legit, 3 or 4 minutes maybe) maybe u should've done your math before you told us this waste of time of a bed time story

OMG someone on ow with common sense *hugs*. You sir are awesome :D. I don't see many like you anymore :(.

That and you took what I was about to post -_- :P

[Sensational]

My arse hec and snake and them lot dont use a dcaa.. 1 mil growth a day? yeah nice one. Stop complaining because then you wont be able to grow the 1 mil per day and you'll be growing the good 80-100k normal people can do without dcaa ;)

[Megadeth]

more math, lets see, u say 150000 in 30 mins? thats 5000 exp per minute, 2500 without an exp booster, so lets say ur using ur precious exp booster, and ur mobs r giving u 50 per hit, thats 100 mobs per minute? (umm... dont think so, theres not one place in stizzy that u can hit 100 mobs in under a minute legit, 3 or 4 minutes maybe) maybe u should've done your math before you told us this waste of time of a bed time story



hahahahaha that was nice :P

[DruiD]

Earth to Sensational, snake started this topic, so not real sure where your little spout off came from right there other than you're envious rofl

[jeffers1986]

Stupidest idea ever....if theyre going to implement that then they sure as hell better elminate all stupid drops so I dont have to check my bp every 5 mins, Im talking augs pants and persuasion items only.

[quezacotl]

exp boost is useless anyway and like snake said xp boost lasts 15 mins your bp doesnt fill up in 15 mins or every 2 mins like u quote

of course ow could just cap growth each day to a maximum based on folks levels EG lv70 can grow 700k max lv50 500k max so on

I can pull off around 30-35k on an average 15 min daily grind. Don't go saying that xp boost is useless, it helps alot. Also the backpack fills up rather quickly and i don't check it while on a double boost, i just hit everything i can

[jeffers1986]

I can pull off around 30-35k on an average 15 min daily grind. Don't go saying that xp boost is useless, it helps alot. Also the backpack fills up rather quickly and i don't check it while on a double boost, i just hit everything i can

To add to what he said theres 30 min exp boosts which most people use because 1 30 min is 10 points cheaper than 2 15s. And they do help alot.

[Bloodkitty1st]

I think he was talking about the skill Daily Grind, the skill you got before New Years.
it grants you Double EXP for 15 minutes.

[Kourtney]

Hehe I slept for 9hrs and nothing really got done with this topic lol. Arguements are lame :( Glad they both stopped tho.

[champ]

This idea has nothing against legit players, so legit players here's a dilemma, would you rather have people gain millions of exp on you or would you rather clear your backpack every 20 minutes?

[skydragon666]

Snake it's a Good Idea But You can even make an i macros 2 drop stuff for you and it wouldnt mess up since you would be clicking squares but yes somthing needs 2 be done since with dcaa's the way they are people are tottal inactive and never camp gods or do anything but grow 200k+ a day

[mjhoagland]

This idea has nothing against legit players, so legit players here's a dilemma, would you rather have people gain millions of exp on you or would you rather clear your backpack every 20 minutes?
Simply put, you can't defeat DCAAs.

The thing with programs is that they can simulate any browser environment because the internet comes down to HTTP requests and responses. If someone is dedicated enough they can suit to fit any system and can quickly adapt to rule changes in a matter of moments and because of this you only make it more inconvenient for legit players rather then stopping the "bad guys".

So, the best thing you can do is grin and bare it. Unless you want to put security words for every action on OW you really can't stop an automated system from navigating a web page, which is really what you're talking about doing here.

About the only real thing you could do is limit Session requests to a certain number, like 500 per minute, for example.

[Draven]

I think its a stupid idea because that would mean everybody would lose exp that dont use a dcaa because some people dc just to grow not worrying about emptying there backpacks i'd rather dc instead of worry about clearing my backpack get as much exp as i can so i can grow not worry bout "oh look i found an aug" I Shouldn't Swear" in my backpack stupid idea

[jZampage]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. I think people are stupid enough to put in their security words in programs to auto-clear backpacks. LOL.

You're exactly right.

It's a marvelous idea Tim, as I have already mentioned to you in crew chat, but I still don't think it will be going anywhere regardless of what se7en said, I think it would be next to impossible for this to be implemented without it causing an enormous impact on outwar and causing non-stop *****ing (even though it SHOULD be implemented). Let me say this much, someone from TFO stated how barely any of TFO is active. However, have you noticed everyones growth has maintained over 200-300k daily? Not only that, but it's in Diablos, SS, DTP, etc. People even in CH have been labelled retired from sigil, or on a break, and continue to maintain 400-500k+ XP daily. It's quite apparent that you don't even have to play the game anymore to become something at it. There really is no separation from newbies to hardcore players anymore.

Rather disturbing.

[jZampage]

I think its a stupid idea because that would mean everybody would lose exp that dont use a dcaa because some people dc just to grow not worrying about emptying there backpacks i'd rather dc instead of worry about clearing my backpack get as much exp as i can so i can grow not worry bout "oh look i found an aug" I Shouldn't Swear" in my backpack stupid idea

That is really lame excuse for not emptying your backpack. The only way people make points anymore is by getting augs, which is a DC drop, and if you're manually DCing then you are sure as hell going to empty out your BP to get your augs, or they make them by selling Gods / SR (which sucks for prices nowadays anyways excepts for a Grace)

[Wizzy]

Offer an Unlimited Backpack Space in the treasury! ^_^

I still think that having one security image show up in DC every 30minutes or so is easier to put in place and just as effective at slowing down DCAAs rather than penalizing full backpacks.

[Shawty]

Offer an Unlimited Backpack Space in the treasury! ^_^

imagine how long it would take to open the BP :D

[jZampage]

Offer an Unlimited Backpack Space in the treasury! ^_^

I still think that having one security image show up in DC every 30minutes or so is easier to put in place and just as effective at slowing down DCAAs rather than penalizing full backpacks.


You and I both know that all you would have to do when you go to blahblahblah website is put your sec word in when you signed up and you would be good as gold -- although I wouldn't imagine being retarded enough to do it, I know plenty of people who would.

[skydragon666]

You're exactly right.

It's a marvelous idea Tim, as I have already mentioned to you in crew chat, but I still don't think it will be going anywhere regardless of what se7en said, I think it would be next to impossible for this to be implemented without it causing an enormous impact on outwar and causing non-stop *****ing (even though it SHOULD be implemented). Let me say this much, someone from TFO stated how barely any of TFO is active. However, have you noticed everyones growth has maintained over 200-300k daily? Not only that, but it's in Diablos, SS, DTP, etc. People even in CH have been labelled retired from sigil, or on a break, and continue to maintain 400-500k+ XP daily. It's quite apparent that you don't even have to play the game anymore to become something at it. There really is no separation from newbies to hardcore players anymore.

Rather disturbing.

lol totally Agree It's Every Crew On Every Server Have you been into uperbadlands and seeing 80 accounts all in same room and all in same crew it;'s a joke

[XpLiCiT]

ya do know that while in sr u can gain like 200-300k

[jZampage]

lol totally Agree It's Every Crew On Every Server Have you been into uperbadlands and seeing 80 accounts all in same room and all in same crew it;'s a joke

Most definetly - and its because that god is due in the upper badlands but whenever hour changes EVERYONE MOVES to go do there little automatic DCing shall I say, then they do that little automatic move back to starting room. Lmao... makes me laugh more then it pisses me off anymore because I don't see it changing.

[jZampage]

ya do know that while in sr u can gain like 200-300k
(if you have newb RPT yes)
You also know you can gain 200-300k out of SR, or you can gain it in it, and you still only have to press one button a day? Isn't that cool... wait err...

[Wizzy]

Offer an Unlimited Backpack Space in the treasury! ^_^

I still think that having one security image show up in DC every 30minutes or so is easier to put in place and just as effective at slowing down DCAAs rather than penalizing full backpacks.

You and I both know that all you would have to do when you go to blahblahblah website is put your sec word in when you signed up and you would be good as gold -- although I wouldn't imagine being retarded enough to do it, I know plenty of people who would.

You lost me there. :confused: I think you got confused when I said security IMAGE.

[mjhoagland]

That is really lame excuse for not emptying your backpack. The only way people make points anymore is by getting augs, which is a DC drop, and if you're manually DCing then you are sure as hell going to empty out your BP to get your augs, or they make them by selling Gods / SR (which sucks for prices nowadays anyways excepts for a Grace)
Why should it become a responsibility to empty your backpack? Empty it if you want or not. It's the web, it's a game, a hobby, etc etc so when you start enforcing people to do something "or else" then you will get genuinely pissed off people. If you can reasonably explain WHY they SHOULD empty their backpack then maybe it wouldn't be as bad. But, people are people and the more demands and rules you place on them the more you hurt the usability of the site.

[jZampage]

Why should it become a responsibility to empty your backpack? Empty it if you want or not. It's the web, it's a game, a hobby, etc etc so when you start enforcing people to do something "or else" then you will get genuinely pissed off people. If you can reasonably explain WHY they SHOULD empty their backpack then maybe it wouldn't be as bad. But, people are people and the more demands and rules you place on them the more you hurt the usability of the site.

You're right, but it still just sounds like a rationalization to keep DCAA'ing around when it quite frankly needs to stop. What would you rather do? Sacrifice 30 seconds to empty out your backpack every so often or enjoy watching people grow 500k a day because they can push a start button? I think in order to have fun you still have to make sacrifices. It is a game and it is a hobby that we should be able to enjoy, I don't disagree with you, but if you think everything is okay and cherry right now then that is just being delusional.

[simonrobinson]

My arse hec and snake and them lot dont use a dcaa.. 1 mil growth a day? yeah nice one. Stop complaining because then you wont be able to grow the 1 mil per day and you'll be growing the good 80-100k normal people can do without dcaa ;)

i actually dont use dcaa so dont accuse folk without proof twat

[jZampage]

i actually dont use dcaa so dont accuse folk without proof twat

Yeah I don't think it would be out of the question, especially in hecs RPT field. He could easily use an xp boost and do that amount of growth in just a couple hours a day.

[mjhoagland]

You're right, but it still just sounds like a rationalization to keep DCAA'ing around when it quite frankly needs to stop. What would you rather do? Sacrifice 30 seconds to empty out your backpack every so often or enjoy watching people grow 500k a day because they can push a start button? I think in order to have fun you still have to make sacrifices. It is a game and it is a hobby that we should be able to enjoy, I don't disagree with you, but if you think everything is okay and cherry right now then that is just being delusional.
Hahahaha, no I don't think everything is cherry right now. I think the game is becoming too much about rules and "oh no you can't do this muwahahaha" to be enjoyable anymore. If you want to cheat yourself like that then fine. Regardless of your level, though, you still need to quest for the best items in the game. I've never heard of a DCAA that can do the Epics or the Mini-Epic for you. Those things take genuine time and effort to get their rewards. SO WHAT if someone is level 65 in 6 months if they use a proggy to do their work for them. They still miss out on the fun, on the interactivity, on the point of the game. They're lame, they're n00bs and they don't know jack about the game. From what I recall OW was about having fun with friends while you bash on your enemies at the same time.

Gaming always has and always will have it's cheaters. It's built into the human engine of the game to skirt around the rules. Unless you can remove that you're just building useless complexity because there will always be someone to circumvent it and after that it's only a matter of time before that becomes standard cheating and then you're in a constant battle to fight cheaters instead of focusing on making the game enjoyable and fun.

[Wizzy]

Gaming always has and always will have it's cheaters. It's built into the human engine of the game to skirt around the rules. Unless you can remove that you're just building useless complexity because there will always be someone to circumvent it and after that it's only a matter of time before that becomes standard cheating and then you're in a constant battle to fight cheaters instead of focusing on making the game enjoyable and fun.

That is so true. I'm not 100% all knowledgeable so forgive me if this is a stupid question. Can you cheat at games that are made with Flash? If not, why not convert?

[Sensational]

Yeah I don't think it would be out of the question, especially in hecs RPT field. He could easily use an xp boost and do that amount of growth in just a couple hours a day.

rpt wont make much difference since in a couple of hours hes only gonna get like 10k rage? and thats what 30 - 60k dc growth depending on where you do it?

and to grow 1 mil a day.. in 2 hours.. 500k an hour? i seriously doubt it mate.

to hec + snake and those who grow loads a day: dont you think its kind of weird if the people you are accusing of using dcaa's grow about the same as you and they run it all day? and surely you sleep..

[makavelitehdon]

The only way to stop the dcaa is if new security word is added to diamond city, just like on raids.
The exp losing is nothing if ur bp is full, cause dcaa can be made to vault the items you win, and pretty sure it can be done so if your bp gets half full it can transfer the items to another account on your rga.

So they only way to stop them if you want is to add the security word to dc so players would have to type out the words. But it would pretty much kill the dc, don't think many peopel who do not use the dcaa now would even play the game as much.

[mjhoagland]

That is so true. I'm not 100% all knowledgeable so forgive me if this is a stupid question. Can you cheat at games that are made with Flash? If not, why not convert?
Flash is iffy with heavy interactivity. You have to be careful because there are still not a lot of systems that can use a 100% flash site for one like a game. But you could still cheat with flash because it still comes down to signals sent from your computer and recieved from the server. Those signals and commands can be analyzed by packet sniffers and manipulated to do what you want. It is the nature of the internet for information to be exposed and until the HTTP protocol is rewritten to change this then there will always be the guy who can get around the system.

[Wizzy]

The only way to stop the dcaa is if new security word is added to diamon city, just like on raids.
The exp lossing is nothing if ur bp is full, cause dcaa can be made to vault the items you win, and pretty sure it can be done so if your bp gets half full it can transfer the items to another account on your rga.

So they only way to stop them if you want is to add the security word to dc so players would have to type out the words. But it would pretty much kill the dc, dont think many peopel who do not use the dcaa now would even play the game as much.

That's what I said, but my idea was just one security image showing up every so often and if it's not typed in by the user then you're unable to move in DC. That would make life so much easier.

And thank you mjhoagland (http://forums.rampidgaming.com/member.php?u=161031), I learned something today ^_^

[Sensational]

The only way to stop the dcaa is if new security word is added to diamon city, just like on raids.
The exp lossing is nothing if ur bp is full, cause dcaa can be made to vault the items you win, and pretty sure it can be done so if your bp gets half full it can transfer the items to another account on your rga.

So they only way to stop them if you want is to add the security word to dc so players would have to type out the words. But it would pretty much kill the dc, dont think many peopel who do not use the dcaa now would even play the game as much.

agreed there maka. maybe it might get some proper attacking going again :) then ow might need to add something to skills so people cant run scripts and hitman a big list and hit them..

[jZampage]

That is so true. I'm not 100% all knowledgeable so forgive me if this is a stupid question. Can you cheat at games that are made with Flash? If not, why not convert?

I think so considering looking @ some games leaderboards and they have outrageously impossible high scores... but even still, converting outwar to flash would take years... look at COP lmao... look @ the rollback for gods sake, that was just a minor bump in the road.

Also putting sec words in DC is out of the question I would imagine.

To whoever thinks hec and snake dcaa, I know snake doesn't for a fact because he is on in crew chat when he does his absurd growth - he buys a totem, casts daily grind, casts it again, and again, and again, and again, 10 times while he DC's in SR - its only 100 points for an easy 500k. Btw your welcome for the idea for toteming your daily grind everyone. Now it can be called Red Bull instead of daily grind.

[simonrobinson]

rpt wont make much difference since in a couple of hours hes only gonna get like 10k rage? and thats what 30 - 60k dc growth depending on where you do it?

and to grow 1 mil a day.. in 2 hours.. 500k an hour? i seriously doubt it mate.

to hec + snake and those who grow loads a day: dont you think its kind of weird if the people you are accusing of using dcaa's grow about the same as you and they run it all day? and surely you sleep..

we grow 1 million in 2 hrs do we u need ya head looked at son skydragon actually grows more than me i do 2 ravens a day which is 200k xp +xp from hitting the mobs to do the quest another 100k thats 300k before any dcing takes place most days i average 500k+ which is another 200k dcing which everyone can do in 3-4 hrs IDIOT!!!!!

[Sensational]

already new about that thx but i dont buy pts so i dont have it :)

also had the idea that people use dcaa to hunt potions on multis so losing exp for full backpack wont really matter to them?

[makavelitehdon]

If everyone is so upset with people growing so much, why not just get ow to add a max amount of exp a player can get a day. That way every one can be equal.

Like me I dont really care who is growing how much, or how they grow it. If you want to grow then grow, if you dont then dont.

[jZampage]

If everyone is so upset with people growing so much, why not just get ow to add a max amount of exp a player can get a day. That way every one can be equal.

Like me I dont really care who is growing how much, or how they grow it. If you want to grow then grow, if you dont then dont.

Because thats not fair to people who can actually grow more then the cap :/

[Domination]

If everyone is so upset with people growing so much, why not just get ow to add a max amount of exp a player can get a day. That way every one can be equal.

Like me I dont really care who is growing how much, or how they grow it. If you want to grow then grow, if you dont then dont.

A all those people that do 300-600k a day will ***** about it, it'll turn in to a circle of complaining.

[Sensational]

hec - sky does sr too and he actually doesnt sleep when he does them massive growths. lol. and the other guy said 2 hours so thats where i got it from ;)

[makavelitehdon]

So why is everyone complaining what people are growing? If you dont like it then dont care, if u want to grow as much then try and grow as much.

[Sensational]

Because thats not fair to people who can actually grow more then the cap :/

it'll make them go to attack people then instead of dcing their butts off so thats alright :)

[simonrobinson]

hec - sky does sr too and he actually doesnt sleep when he does them massive growths. lol. and the other guy said 2 hours so thats where i got it from ;)

and u think i sleep ?????

[jZampage]

it'll make them go to attack people then instead of dcing their butts off so thats alright :)

You still gain experience from attacking people... and you can get an assload of experience in 2 hours - do a SR run, finish it, go back to the level 2 area - totem daily grind - use a fury if you run out of rage, it's not especially hard, and it's definetly not out of the question, and for those people who are those absurd levels with elite gear, it is definetly not hard to come by points and do that. I think you are accusing people when you have no experience of doing what is even being talked about. I've done 600k in a day before when I was a newb, let alone the fact I'm sure I could do it now fairly easily.

[Sensational]

dunno hec. do you?

[simonrobinson]

dunno hec. do you?

we all sleep without it would kill us at some pt. i play as much as sky if not more and i know sky cant grow 2 million xp in 2 hrs

[Sensational]

You still gain experience from attacking people... and you can get an assload of experience in 2 hours - do a SR run, finish it, go back to the level 2 area - totem daily grind - use a fury if you run out of rage, it's not especially hard, and it's definetly not out of the question, and for those people who are those absurd levels with elite gear, it is definetly not hard to come by points and do that. I think you are accusing people when you have no experience of doing what is even being talked about. I've done 600k in a day before when I was a newb, let alone the fact I'm sure I could do it now fairly easily.

Yeah you still gain exp but not nearly as much..

and gl trying to burn 25k rage on mobs which cost 10 -15 rage and take like 20 - 30 mins to respawn in 2 hours.. yeah 600k is fairly possible to get (and as a matter of fact i have done it before after doing 2 SR runs in a day so im not accusing them of that).. but the 1 mil stuff dont you think is just a bit O.T.T?

[ForgottenOne]

You still gain experience from attacking people... and you can get an assload of experience in 2 hours - do a SR run, finish it, go back to the level 2 area - totem daily grind - use a fury if you run out of rage, it's not especially hard, and it's definetly not out of the question, and for those people who are those absurd levels with elite gear, it is definetly not hard to come by points and do that. I think you are accusing people when you have no experience of doing what is even being talked about. I've done 600k in a day before when I was a newb, let alone the fact I'm sure I could do it now fairly easily.


I agree You know how easy it is to crew now adays, we have potions that double exp from dc mobs. So if someone has enough of those potions they only need to hit for 300k aday and it turn out to be 600k. This game is about growing and becoming stronger, whats the point if we all grow at the same speed we might as well all have the same items.

[mjhoagland]

converting outwar to flash would take years...
You've obviously never done a large scale project in flash. ;)

It wouldn't take that long but it wouldn't a quick undertaking either. Depending on the programming staff at Rampid that are proficient with Flash I would guesstimate about 8 months to a year.

[Sensational]

we all sleep without it would kill us at some pt. i play as much as sky if not more and i know sky cant grow 2 million xp in 2 hrs

exactly. i knew you slept :) and you probably do play as much as sky. and i know sky cant. he uses many hours to grow as much as he can and i know its not only 2 hours and know its not 2 million exp since he hasnt done that... yet.

[simonrobinson]

exactly. i knew you slept :) and you probably do play as much as sky. and i know sky cant. he uses many hours to grow as much as he can and i know its not only 2 hours and know its not 2 million exp

so why go accusing folk when u have no proof 600k a day is easy to grow 90% of the top 50 players grow that everyday and most dont get 200k from 2 ravens
accuse me of being leet thats ok it as substance :)

[jZampage]

You've obviously never done a large scale project in flash. ;)

It wouldn't take that long but it wouldn't a quick undertaking either. Depending on the programming staff at Rampid that are proficient with Flash I would guesstimate about 8 months to a year.

I was embellishing slightly, and I've used flash before for some animations and stuff, but I knew it would take a huge amount of time to transfer all the information from OW to a new flash, there are thousands of characters

[ForgottenOne]

exactly. i knew you slept :) and you probably do play as much as sky. and i know sky cant. he uses many hours to grow as much as he can and i know its not only 2 hours and know its not 2 million exp since he hasnt done that... yet.

Sky is always on during the summer i have seen him on for almost 48 hours before. Just because someone can grow alot doesnt mean they cheat.

[jZampage]

Sky is always on during the summer i have seen him on for almost 48 hours before. Just because someone can grow alot doesnt mean they cheat.

But it does mean they don't have much of a personal life. Lol jk sky ;p

[mjhoagland]

I was embellishing slightly, and I've used flash before for some animations and stuff, but I knew it would take a huge amount of time to transfer all the information from OW to a new flash, there are thousands of characters
Eh, it's just a matter of making a graphical representation of already existing data. If you remake the entire underlying data structure and start from scratch then sure it would take longer but that wouldn't be necessary.

[jZampage]

Eh, it's just a matter of making a graphical representation of already existing data. If you remake the entire underlying data structure and start from scratch then sure it would take longer but that wouldn't be necessary.

Well I don't know about all that, I used to use it to make funny videos of buddies of mine from CNC that were just total tools. I've also used it for some graphics, but never to replicate a game let alone make one of my own.

[Sensational]

so why go accusing folk when u have no proof 600k a day is easy to grow 90% of the top 50 players grow that everyday and most dont get 200k from 2 ravens
accuse me of being leet thats ok it as substance :)

i think you'll find it was growing 1 mil i was talking about anywhere in this.. not 600k :)

[jZampage]

i think you'll find it was growing 1 mil i was talking about anywhere in this.. not 600k :)

1 mill isn't much harder to obtain, a couple furys and a couple xp boosts, or just a totem and daily grind make 1 mill more then feasible. I'm not defending anyone but facts.

[mjhoagland]

Well I don't know about all that, I used to use it to make funny videos of buddies of mine from CNC that were just total tools. I've also used it for some graphics, but never to replicate a game let alone make one of my own.
It's not that huge of a deal as long as you have an existing data structure. That and you don't have to load the entire database to each computer so it's not like a stand alone game application. But, oh well.

[jZampage]

It's not that huge of a deal as long as you have an existing data structure. That and you don't have to load the entire database to each computer so it's not like a stand alone game application. But, oh well.

I wouldn't know the first of it, nor intend to learn anytime soon - I'll stick with playing OW and COD4 until they bore me to no extent ;p

[Wizzy]

I wish someone would grow me 600k a day :(

[jZampage]

You're on a break :p stay that way so I can catch up o.o Mind if I borrow your chest

[Wizzy]

Not at all, it'll be up on my Trade Block.

The most I grow in any case by myself is 300k a day or so because I camp gods like Ag Nabak and Grizzly and then it's back to Dreg and it goes on and on for my crew. So do a few other leaders. ^_^

[skydragon666]

1 mill isn't much harder to obtain, a couple furys and a couple xp boosts, or just a totem and daily grind make 1 mill more then feasible. I'm not defending anyone but facts.


ok you go dc 1mil and tell me how you get on lol

[wizdew]

But what about people just DCing really quickly and not caring what they pick up so they just ignore their backpack? They'd start losing experience, start complaining, and start ranting about how Outwar needs to reimburse them the experience. Agreed....

[skydragon666]

Agreed....

LOL Sound like some 1 who uses dcaa lol

[lndemp1]

This is a ridiculous idea. The second you start penalizing people for speed playing you IMMEDIATELY eliminate all the power gamers. I'm talking about both the legit and illegitimate ones. I have a cable connection, so 10+ Mb/s, with a dual core 3.0 GHz machine and the rest of a system to match it. So, therefore, I can DC OW pretty quick.

I can go through 2 Recharge the Fury potions in the time it takes for a single 30 minute Major Exp Boost potion to expire. That translates to about 40,000 rage in 30 minutes and that's legitimate points and clicks with my mouse by my hand guided by my eye. COMPLETELY LEGIT. That also translates in about 120k to 150k exp in 30 minutes with enough loot to probably fill my BP about 3 times over or more. Don't argue with me on this. I've done it. And, as I said, it's completely legit.

NOW! If I start losing experience this way then I'm going to be pretty pissed. I spend points for the potions and money for the kick ass comp and connection I have and I expect to be able to use it. The solution isn't complexity on top of complexity. If OW wants my .02 on how to fix the problem, and yes I've fixed problems like this before, then they'll private message me on here or on OW.

Because OW requires a high end computer to load text and JPG images? You're a smart one. Guarantee btw, you're not going through 2 recharge the fury in 30 minutes legit. Unless you're dcing in badlands which is stupid. So please, feed other people your bullshit elsewhere.

[skydragon666]

Because OW requires a high end computer to load text and JPG images? You're a smart one. Guarantee btw, you're not going through 2 recharge the fury in 30 minutes legit. Unless you're dcing in badlands which is stupid. So please, feed other people your bullshit elsewhere.

Some 1 who actully has a brain lol thank you for actually giving this thread some iq

[Hairyrasal]

i dont know about all you but i think dcaa's have killed the game nobody cares about the game any more when they can just press start and leave for the day. while people that do play the game legit sit here in the server lag caused by the dcaa's so this is my idea

i have allready told this to se7en and he said the programmer is going to add it so waiting for it to be put in to the game.

If you have a full back pack it would no longer give you exp you would lose exp from atacking mobs with a full back pack. so would be like this

YahoosSnake gained 0 strength
YahoosSnake has a full back pack so lost 42 experience!

People say well programmers will just add somethen to auto drop items or auto vault items there dcaa finds well vaults are only so big and for the auto drop who would be dumb enough to put there sec word in a program to auto drop items all i would do is use my 25 sunder armor accounts on people that i know running dcaa's yes they are easy to find. so it unequiped there items and there dcaa's Droped there items for them. :)

so what if we just dont feel like dropping stuff and our vaults somehow full? whats gonna happen then? this is a bad idea, i dont even know how some people agree with it

[bluedthunder]

Some 1 who actully has a brain lol thank you for actually giving this thread some iq

Agreed! Everyone who opposes it, is obviously dcaaers. k next!

[mjhoagland]

Because OW requires a high end computer to load text and JPG images? You're a smart one. Guarantee btw, you're not going through 2 recharge the fury in 30 minutes legit. Unless you're dcing in badlands which is stupid. So please, feed other people your bullshit elsewhere.
. I don't need to justify myself to your or anyone else. End of discussion.

[bluedthunder]

I don't need to justify myself to your or anyone else. End of discussion.

Obviously mad because it's impossible to burn through 2 furies in 30 minutes dcing, unless your max rage is like 5k or you attacking high rage requirement mobs. It can only be obtained with a program. Therefore the negative/zero experience received when one attacks with a full back is a GREAT idea! You're my hero Tim!

[mjhoagland]

Obviously mad because it's impossible to burn through 2 furies in 30 minutes dcing, unless your max rage is like 5k or you attacking high rage requirement mobs. It can only be obtained with a program. Therefore the negative/zero experience received when one attacks with a full back is a GREAT idea! You're my hero Tim!
Ummm no. My max rage is 11k. Next thing you're going to tell me is it can't POSSIBLY be that unless I use a program. Let me guess, programs are the cause of terrorism, AIDS and war, right?

Another thing! My rage per hour is over 1K. OBVIOUSLY from the use of programs. Shut up.

[Wizzy]

If you're going to act like that then take your attitude elsewhere. Noone wants to see a user post with such crap attitude like that. You just ruin it for everyone else.

[DruiD]

lol moag, me and snake burned your ass lastnight, and you just couldn't let it go, so you come on here AGAIN and get burned by TFO members again. So go get a good nights sleep, get up, eat an eggo and come back tomorrow and we'll do this all over again. You got busted, let it go you're making a damn fool of yourself :))

[bluedthunder]

Ummm no. My max rage is 11k. Next thing you're going to tell me is it can't POSSIBLY be that unless I use a program. Let me guess, programs are the cause of terrorism, AIDS and war, right?

Another thing! My rage per hour is over 1K. OBVIOUSLY from the use of programs. Shut up.

I didn't know the use of programs can make your rage per hour over 1k :-?

[megabouncer]

erm, people will just buy bigger backpacks, to sold this problem, i believe it could work but it does get people pissed off when u keep placing rules on them. However, i believe that by simply having you put a security image every 30 minutes or so that needs to be filled it u can minimize use of dcaa's without pissing people off. So whoever said the sec image idea, i agree with you

[mjhoagland]

If you're going to act like that then take your attitude elsewhere. Noone wants to see a user post with such crap attitude like that. You just ruin it for everyone else.
Hell no, I just can't stand the presumption some of the morons make around here that because they haven't necessarily experienced something themselves it's impossible.

[mjhoagland]

I didn't know the use of programs can make your rage per hour over 1k :-?
It was sarcasm. Look it up.

[bluedthunder]

It was sarcasm. Look it up.

lol, oh yeah i totally got your sarcasm. 8-| *sarcasm*
Just so you know, you're not suppose to double post..."moron".
Take your belligerence attitude else where. You are not appreciated here.

Back to topic............................................. ..............

[DruiD]

lol blued, you're talking to a wall. You can bash on this moron for hours and he still doesn't get the clue that what he says continuously contradicts everything else he previously said.

On topic, add sec images back if anything dcaa is taking away from gameplay and pretty much destroyed the fun of the game.

[Wizzy]

I just don't want the lag to come back like it used to -_-

[mjhoagland]

lol, oh yeah i totally got your sarcasm. 8-| *sarcasm*
Just so you know, you're not suppose to double post..."moron".
Take your belligerence attitude else where. You are not appreciated here.

Back to topic............................................. ..............
It's spelled "belligerent" and I only get that way when someone wants to tell me I'm wrong without a second thought along the lines that they themselves are wrong. If you read some of my posts earlier today I can actually be quite helpful. I just don't take other people's bullshit.

[DruiD]

Yeah wizzy I'm with you on that man, can't really say I miss the amount of lag that was brought on by the sec image, just wish they had a way to fix the issue without lag, but not sure it's possible without something like snake mentioned

[Sensational]

I didn't know the use of programs can make your rage per hour over 1k :-?

maybe its progs that help him hack outwar!!!1!oneone11111!!one

[mjhoagland]

maybe its progs that help him hack outwar!!!1!oneone11111!!one
LOL! You figured it out! NOOOO!

[Z_xCashviLLe]

I can't be assed to read all 18 pages of this topic, but I'm sure I could write a smart item-dropper, as I'm sure other coders could. So your idea would not slow down DCAA'ers, it will merely increase the serverload on Outwar.

[jZampage]

I can't be assed to read all 18 pages of this topic, but I'm sure I could write a smart item-dropper, as I'm sure other coders could. So your idea would not slow down DCAA'ers, it will merely increase the serverload on Outwar.

Pretty muchs sums it up. I know I along with like 5 other people said the same thing, but it wouldn't be especially hard to write anything to address this, even have it happen every so # of mobs and what not. Tim of all people knows this with his ability to program things.

[mjhoagland]

I can't be assed to read all 18 pages of this topic, but I'm sure I could write a smart item-dropper, as I'm sure other coders could. So your idea would not slow down DCAA'ers, it will merely increase the serverload on Outwar.
THANK YOU!!! OH GOD, SWEET JESUS, THANK YOU!! *Hayem* Seriously, thank you.

And, it would just be an additional burden to legitimate players since they don't use programs.

[jZampage]

THANK YOU!!! OH GOD, SWEET JESUS, THANK YOU!! *Hayem* Seriously, thank you.

And, it would just be an additional burden to legitimate players since they don't use programs.

Sound a little relieved? :p Nonetheless the problem still arises. Math sec images were the most effective, and really didn't take all that long to do, you could really burn through them if you didn't focus on the monitor lol

[mjhoagland]

Sound a little relieved? :p Nonetheless the problem still arises. Math sec images were the most effective, and really didn't take all that long to do, you could really burn through them if you didn't focus on the monitor lol
True. I will not dispute that programs are "a" cause of server slowdown. We have to be careful not to crucify programs expecting it to solve all our speed issues. It's the internet, after all, and any computer along a string of potentially hundreds can slow someone down.

Security images do work best. But, instead of prompting the user every 30 minutes, I propose it be extended to an hour. Why? Because when others I know get in the mood to DC they do it for hours at a time. So spending six hours putting in a security word twelve times is still annoying vs six times is still annoying although less than twelve.

And, since Auto-DC programs are still limited by the internet, to DC fifteen characters or so still will take roughly 20-30 minutes by my guess if they have to move from room to room over a large area. Because they are limited in this fashion, they would only be allowed a couple runs before the program is interrupted. Depending on how the program is written to simulate the browser, I would also say any new login attempt have that counter restarted.

Thus, ProgramA attempts to login to Outwar using PersonA's credentials. ProgramA encounters an image prompt. Execution of ProgramA ends or pauses due to the inability to interpret this new information. I say it could pause because someone could write a routine that prompts the user of the program to fill in the image word allowing it to continue. Regardless, this sort of routine could be written however often the image prompt comes up. After this, ProgamA continues to run until it encounters the image prompt again.

So, if you randomize it somewhere between 45 minutes to an hour I think that would be best.

[Ylts]

i say to put somekind of sec image to login box (to prevent bot logins - dcaa's, auto skillers and all kind of auto things..) pro programmers with programs may get through (depends on how good are they) but scripts cant get past (like python script and mirc if its so advanced as i think)
and as a person u dont need to log in like 10 times in hour manually - just put Remember me option

then put sec image to dc, it would come random like 30min +/-10min (20-40 min spawn)
and NO exacly 30 min spawn so program could calculate the exact time when image popups and give warning: Image popups in 5 min... 3 min or 1 min.. time to turn off

[mjhoagland]

i say to put somekind of sec image to login box (to prevent bot logins - dcaa's, auto skillers and all kind of auto things..) pro programmers with programs may get through (depends on how good are they) but scripts cant get past (like python script and mirc if its so advanced as i think)
and as a person u dont need to log in like 10 times in hour manually - just put Remember me option

then put sec image to dc, it would come random like 30min +/-10min (20-40 min spawn)
and NO exacly 30 min spawn so program could calculate the exact time when image popups and give warning: Image pop-ups in 5 min... 3 min or 1 min.. time to turn off
Only problem with that is that macro plug-ins like iMacros will still be able to operate with a security image at login. I thought about this myself but then remembered macros can still run because they simulate clicks. They can also be automated to fill in text but with random images at random times during the playing process it will break these as well.

Also, I'm not talking about logging back in, and I don't think the others with this idea are either, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm just talking about a prompt with a random image and a text-box with a button you press to submit the security image word.

But a program analyzing a page to perform an action would still easily be able to detect when the image dialog would come up since it would just analyze the page for that situation just as easy as it can to analyze for attack links, trainer buttons, etc.

[jZampage]

Reading some of these recent posts I've kind of made a compilation of the ideas that I think would best suit our needs to stop this madness.

1. Having a Sec word popup every 15 minutes - frustrating? Yes, effective, yes... most people leave their DCAA's on while they sleep, how can you type in a sec word every 15 minutes when you are asleep? You can't... let alone the frustration of just typing one in every 15 minutes UNLESS you were doing it manually in the first place would cause a lot of people to stop.

2. The word popup can be ignored - but with a consequence. Listen here. When the word pops up at 15 minutes, it gives you the word to type in, and a verbal warning of what will happen if you don't type it in correctly. "Alert: If you continue to DC without correctly typing in the security words, you will lose experience rather then gain it from DC mobs". This quite frankly solves all our problems. It disregards having to empty the backpack. It stops DCAA'ing. It motivates people to manually DC again.

It doesn't have to be 15 minutes? Maybe 30 minutes? Even an hour? Most people I know don't sleep for just an hour. This would be 4 times less annoying then 15 minutes, but it is still an effective counter-measure. Hell, at least it's a step.

Submit thoughts?

[DruiD]

i say to put somekind of sec image to login box (to prevent bot logins - dcaa's, auto skillers and all kind of auto things..) pro programmers with programs may get through (depends on how good are they) but scripts cant get past (like python script and mirc if its so advanced as i think)
and as a person u dont need to log in like 10 times in hour manually - just put Remember me option

This part could easily be bypassed simply by logging in through your browser, run a packet sniffer, get the cookie, and paste it to the program as the cookie in the packet that runs your outwar operations (moving, attacking, etc.) Since it'll be the same session on the program as on the web browser.

[Wizzy]

Reading some of these recent posts I've kind of made a compilation of the ideas that I think would best suit our needs to stop this madness.

1. Having a Sec word popup every 15 minutes - frustrating? Yes, effective, yes... most people leave their DCAA's on while they sleep, how can you type in a sec word every 15 minutes when you are asleep? You can't... let alone the frustration of just typing one in every 15 minutes UNLESS you were doing it manually in the first place would cause a lot of people to stop.

2. The word popup can be ignored - but with a consequence. Listen here. When the word pops up at 15 minutes, it gives you the word to type in, and a verbal warning of what will happen if you don't type it in correctly. "Alert: If you continue to DC without correctly typing in the security words, you will lose experience rather then gain it from DC mobs". This quite frankly solves all our problems. It disregards having to empty the backpack. It stops DCAA'ing. It motivates people to manually DC again.

It doesn't have to be 15 minutes? Maybe 30 minutes? Even an hour? Most people I know don't sleep for just an hour. This would be 4 times less annoying then 15 minutes, but it is still an effective counter-measure. Hell, at least it's a step.

Submit thoughts?

I like the first idea which was one of my original ideas that people ignored. :(

zampy r0x.

[destinyslove]

Notice that OW doesn't seem to care about DCAA's. If they did you see TONS and TONS of people suspended. Doesn't take a genius to know who is using and isn't.

Why do you think major boost/potions and so on are more accessible now? To make people happy. If people want to spend money on a game so they can amount to something that they never could on their own, why not give it to them? Pretty soon we will see sigil life forces on the treasury, so they can make their customers happy.

You can make many programs to TRY and stop dcaa'ers but it will NEVER stop them. Someone will come up with something else, and once again we are at the same spot.

Think about it, if they are using dcaas and OW stopped them again. They lose their customers interest. They go back to not caring and the server becomes inactive. Maybe if OW put in more Quest and make DC more interesting people would stop with the dcaa. I know that is wishful thinking, but its pretty much a dead subject. We have gone through tons and tons of security images over the years and yet we still have this issue.


By the way I liked Jzamp post :)

[DruiD]

You can make many programs to TRY and stop dcaa'ers but it will NEVER stop them. Someone will come up with something else, and once again we are at the same spot.



Atleast if that were the case the programmer would end up charging an arm and a leg so access would be limited which would cut down on the use. I will say however, I'd rather people run dcaa's than to macro. Macros put so much more of a load on the server since it has to load all images, where as the dcaa is just all text which really lowers the size of data transmition. So with sec images, yeah you're gonna have a few people who pay to use a dcaa that works around it, but it makes people who macro obsolete which will really help increase the server speed as well

[SkatrBill]

I can't be assed to read all 18 pages of this topic, but I'm sure I could write a smart item-dropper, as I'm sure other coders could. So your idea would not slow down DCAA'ers, it will merely increase the serverload on Outwar.


Although i bet that programers will be able to write item dropers, it isn't even the fact that people who write dcaas would have to write item droppers, if this ideas passed it will screw alot of people over, from now on people woudn't be able to use double exp pots cause generally they try to hit up all the areas and return to their starting point as it spawns again, if you stop to drop all the stuff ur gonna miss out on fragile time.

The person who thought of this idea clearly must not DC at all, (atleast anymore) because if he did he would know how shitty it is to go through backpacks and have to select items to drop, some times its depressing cause you constantly make mistakes like clicking view or equip then you have to select all the items again.

In my opinion this idea is shit no offense, you basically just though of the basic stuff when you should have been thinking of it in a deeper sense. How is it going to effect potions like double exp potions and other things like the speed of droping items because its annoying when you have a full backpack of crap you have to drop.

[DruiD]

Theirs a lot of hit and miss in the logic, however in the end it's all about putting an end to 24/7 dcaa use. I believe just a simple RGA cap could be suitable. Like 100k a day per RGA, or add a new category that stores attack exp separately, which doesnt count toward your daily 100k cap so you can use the rest of your extra rage

[Wizzy]

The exp I get from attacking people does show up on my Growth Today, what you talking about o.O

[DruiD]

you can tell I don't attack much lmao, ah well, edited

[Rampid_Justin]

I love the people who assume we don't care about DCAAs, or assume that since they thought of a "solution" for stopping them that it must be flawless and we're stupid for not implementing it. lol

[DruiD]

Just brainstorming :p You're the guy that knows what you're doing, it's just more fun to argue on the forum then to play the game at the moment

[Egnar]

I'm going to play the crazy fanatic card and say that once you load up Outwar it formats your hardrive of all programs before allowing you to proceed!

[DruiD]

And on that note, close thread lmao

[Rampid_Justin]

Just brainstorming :p You're the guy that knows what you're doing, it's just more fun to argue on the forum then to play the game at the moment

I wasn't pointing anyone out in specific, but I definitely used to get a lot of IMs about "Why haven't you guys stopped DCAAs yet?!?!".

We'll figure something out. The solution may not even end up being a programming solution, it might be something to do with how the game works, or similar. Who knows! :)