Xordan,crane,shadow ect

[simonrobinson]

none of these gods drop pts yet they count towards a cap.

shouldnt they atleast have pts added to them and if not then remove them as a cap

[Domination]

Ya they probably should.

[Rampid_Misery]

Greedy newb

[Domination]

SR should go against the cap too

[Sparda1234]

SR should go against the cap too

lol agreed just cuz it would annoy chires :p

[Domination]

Evenually they'll add the ability to purchase upgrades for it. and yes capping Sr is a god idea :) and it would annoy 90% of all SR raiders

[EventHorizon]

SR should go against the cap too

Well that would definitely raise the prices back up again

[snake]

here's a question for u .. since more and more gods are being (been) added ... shouldn't the cap be raised ? :|

no the idea for new gods is so same crews dont beat the same goods so they do new gods.

[Swudeson]

Good point hec :)

[HecInDisguise]

Good point hec :)

wtf, i'm not hec =))))))))))))))))))))

[simonrobinson]

He's hec's clone


please dont say that again its major scary...

he is one of my many fanclub members

[dtpy]

please dont say that again its major scary...

he is one of my many fanclub members

yaaaaay \:D/ we love hec! we love hec! we love hec ...... not :|

well .. it was me ...

[Egnar]

Well that would definitely raise the prices back up again
Only slightly - The problem isn't that supply as increased and demand has stayed the same. The problem is that supply has gone up and demand has gone down. This may fix the supply problem. . .But not the demand problem.

Maybe entering SR and killing Natas should count against cap (and not the other 3 gods). This way you're now limited to 10 runs per week, as opposed to 14 which isn't as huge a change. Also, while the big crews who do lots of gods and SR would be able to still do it often it would make them 'trade off'

[makavelitehdon]

Maybe entering SR and killing Natas should count against cap (and not the other 3 gods). This way you're now limited to 10 runs per week, as opposed to 14 which isn't as huge a change. Also, while the big crews who do lots of gods and SR would be able to still do it often it would make them 'trade off'


I like the idea that once you do Natas it should count toward the cap.

Also agree with hec on the shadow etc elemental gods, that they should drop points as they are raids and all god raids drop points

[Firestarter]

lol, if they add points to those raids, then prepare yourself to neg more crews than just mine when u go for those foundry raids :p tisk tisk , talking to hec, not to u maka ;)

[Rampid_Misery]

Wabam!! Points added by the Almighty Greg the Bearded.

[Firestarter]

same amount for all raids ? :p

[GAGE]

better get working on adding sr to caps then if u are adding points to these ele raids, as its only fair that god's that drop items is a cap, and not just 1 cap its 4 gods so it should be 4 cap's which limits raven to 2 full runs a week

[NightThaProphet]

sr caps may be nice, but then you have those crews that only do sr, so they do 2 full runs in 1 crew, switch to another, and do 2 more runs that week.

[Egnar]

sr caps may be nice, but then you have those crews that only do sr, so they do 2 full runs in 1 crew, switch to another, and do 2 more runs that week.
Pretty sure there is a personal and crew cap.

[GAGE]

dont work like that cause its player cap :) once that player has done 10 raids he cant do anything, oh and another thing outwar fix it so u cant form raids aswell if u have beaten 10 gods that week

[Firestarter]

still less sr runs ;)

[NightThaProphet]

ah yea, i realized how dumb that comment was once i said it, my bad :(

[simonrobinson]

ty admins for the pts on god resist ...
to my secong point now by all means add caps to stoneraven but if u do then charge each account that raids a god 165pts to raid it..
eg sigil =30 accs so charge crew 30x165pts before they can form the raid..
case closed on raven cap and due to pts added to resist gods may aswell close thread
i thank you

[Egnar]

How can you compare Stone Raven to other gods based on points used?

Stone Raven (costs 165 points to do not including extras)
Each god can be taken twice per day
Every single crew can do this twice per day
A full run, only counting quests gives you 100k exp
No points are given for killing a god
Does not count against the cap

Other gods (Costs 0 points to do not including extras)
Spawns on a variable timer between 1 and 5 days
Only one crew can do the god within the the spawn period
Points are given after a successful kill

You can't compare the two and try to make them even because the mechanics behind them are so different.

[simonrobinson]

How can you compare Stone Raven to other gods based on points used?

Stone Raven (costs 165 points to do not including extras)
Each god can be taken twice per day
Every single crew can do this twice per day
A full run, only counting quests gives you 100k exp
No points are given for killing a god
Does not count against the cap

Other gods (Costs 0 points to do not including extras)
Spawns on a variable timer between 1 and 5 days
Only one crew can do the god within the the spawn period
Points are given after a successful kill

You can't compare the two and try to make them even because the mechanics behind them are so different.

i was making a point your right you cant comare the two they are completely different so why say make raven count as a crew cap..
my pt has been made thank you!!!!!

[Egnar]

Because Stone Raven can be done 14 times in a week currently for some of the best items currently in the game. It also provides you with a huge set of exp, 1.4 million exp per week if you only count the quest. We've already seen that this is one of the reasons Stone Raven has declined.

I didn't suggest a cap someone else did, I simply amended the suggestion from counting it as 4 caps to counting the whole thing as 1 cap.

[simonrobinson]

Because Stone Raven can be done 14 times in a week currently for some of the best items currently in the game. It also provides you with a huge set of exp, 1.4 million exp per week if you only count the quest. We've already seen that this is one of the reasons Stone Raven has declined.

I didn't suggest a cap someone else did, I simply amended the suggestion from counting it as 4 caps to counting the whole thing as 1 cap.


why even 1 cap, to do raven twice a day as u quote it costs nearly 2000pts
dregnor on the other hands drops the essence prob best item in game and it costs nothing..

do you not understand what i am saying here!!!!

[Egnar]

Dreg'nor can only be done once every 3 days - Stone Raven every day, twice a day, may cost 2,000 points but just 2 good drops (out of 4 bosses) can make up for that. . .

Does it cost more to do stone raven? ya. . .But look at the Stone Raven economy over the last few months and honestly tell me it doesn't need to be looked at.

[simonrobinson]

Dreg'nor can only be done once every 3 days - Stone Raven every day, twice a day, may cost 2,000 points but just 2 good drops (out of 4 bosses) can make up for that. . .

Does it cost more to do stone raven? ya. . .But look at the Stone Raven economy over the last few months and honestly tell me it doesn't need to be looked at.

ok first of all you automatically blame raven for economy. there are many factors in why the economy is how it is and im not gonna go into them all.

secondly stoneraven is a sure way of outwar making money a regular income for them so let me put it this way for you..

what game developer in there right mind would cap it so someone could only spend (eg 10 caps 10 ravens =825pts =8250pts) a week when they could be earning as u say 14 runs 10,000+ a week. im talkin a crew who do raven twice theres 100s of crews who do raven every now and then and if a cap was added they would even bother doing it. as they need those caps for other gods too.
thats like throwing money down the drain bro

[Wizzy]

Only slightly - The problem isn't that supply as increased and demand has stayed the same. The problem is that supply has gone up and demand has gone down. This may fix the supply problem. . .But not the demand problem.

Maybe entering SR and killing Natas should count against cap (and not the other 3 gods). This way you're now limited to 10 runs per week, as opposed to 14 which isn't as huge a change. Also, while the big crews who do lots of gods and SR would be able to still do it often it would make them 'trade off'

If you bring the supply down and leave the demand alone, the prices will go back up like I believe most people want it to. :confused:

[Egnar]

It will slowly go up but not enough for it to be too big a deal - We either need to fix both the supply and demand which we can't do. . .Or we need to learn from the mistakes of Stone Raven and move onto something new.

[Wizzy]

I dunno. If you keep demand high as is then you'll go into a shortage and prices shoot up higher and faster in cases of shortages than if you brought both down simultaneously.

[simonrobinson]

I dunno. If you keep demand high as is then you'll go into a shortage and prices shoot up higher and faster in cases of shortages than if you brought both down simultaneously.

w1zzy he is a lost cause m8 seriously i beg u to stop cause he certainly wont.

he as no clue how to fix anything.. babbler after 500 posts lol

[Egnar]

w1zzy he is a lost cause m8 seriously i beg u to stop cause he certainly wont.

he as no clue how to fix anything.. babbler after 500 posts lol
I would defiantly appreciate it if for once you used evidence, facts or hell even real world laws (like Supply and Demand) to back up anything you said in relation to my ideas - Thanks.

Like I said, you may disagree with me but it doesn't make me wrong, nor does me believing I'm right necessarily make me right.

[madmuis]

ok first of all you automatically blame raven for economy. there are many factors in why the economy is how it is and im not gonna go into them all.

secondly stoneraven is a sure way of outwar making money a regular income for them so let me put it this way for you..

what game developer in there right mind would cap it so someone could only spend (eg 10 caps 10 ravens =825pts =8250pts) a week when they could be earning as u say 14 runs 10,000+ a week. im talkin a crew who do raven twice theres 100s of crews who do raven every now and then and if a cap was added they would even bother doing it. as they need those caps for other gods too.
thats like throwing money down the drain bro

One reason why the economy is f*cked up, 2 words Outwar Immortals

[simonrobinson]

One reason why the economy is f*cked up, 2 words Outwar Immortals


how is that our fault lol, you actually think the economy is all based round stoneraven rofl.

there are a hell of a lot of reasons why economy is bad and raven is 1 of many

[madmuis]

how is that our fault lol, you actually think the economy is all based round stoneraven rofl.

there are a hell of a lot of reasons why economy is bad and raven is 1 of many
SR items> most items OI brought SR items to a wtf low price so the economy got blown up.

[simonrobinson]

SR items> most items OI brought SR items to a wtf low price so the economy got blown up.


rofl if u seriously think the only reason economy is so bad is stoneraven then
theres no help for you

[_Champion_]

stoneraven prices go down.... other prices go down.... stoneraven comes out... people mass sell decent items to get a run.. in turn potw goes for 2k one week.. then one person sells for 1300 then everyone wants that price thus making the economy go down. So sr either needs to cut the supply on it or up the demand but people arent gonna up the demand the supply has to be cut,... thus cap... or 2-3 days waiting period

[simonrobinson]

stoneraven prices go down.... other prices go down.... stoneraven comes out... people mass sell decent items to get a run.. in turn potw goes for 2k one week.. then one person sells for 1300 then everyone wants that price thus making the economy go down. So sr either needs to cut the supply on it or up the demand but people arent gonna up the demand the supply has to be cut,... thus cap... or 2-3 days waiting period


before raven came out potw was at 1k pts what happens on ow is gods get released folk ask crazy prices to start with and then once the gods have been out a while they drop in price...

example blood soaked legplates the first few month of dregnors release these were selling for 10,000+ pts within 3 month they were at 5000pts and within less than a year 1000pts ...now there 300