Neo's game hacks

[Neotyguy40]

Ok, this is my thread where I supply hacks for the game to help boost game performance, just give me feedback and tell me if it works (which means to vote high if you like it). Also, report all errors that you get in the game here if you got it only when you changed it.

Now you may be thinking, "Wait, aren't hacks illegal?"

Hacks, hacking, or modding isn't illegal (if you are thinking about breaking into computers or killing phone lines, then you are thinking of "cracking") infact, hacking is what invented the Internet and UNIX. Hacking contributes about 80% of game updates to most games, and I am going to start the hacking for CoP.

So here is what I am going to do to help out the game, I have heard many people were suffering from extreme lag, so I am going to make this game need to take less graphical power.


What I plan to do:

1. Replace all PNG textures with a better 16-bit superPNG file. If your computer works with normal PNG pictures, then you will have no problem with superPNG. Infact it will work even faster.

2. Make a few changes to code to boost up speeds with the graphics card.

3. Change the meshes of certain objects to delete faces, edges, and vertices that are unseen or unneeded.


What I have done so far:


Quads to Triangles with OpenGL preference change:

I have made a very small addition to a file that changes the terrain from quads and other shapes to triangles, this makes the graphics simpler and boosts the performance significantly without changing any graphics.

How to do it:

1. Locate your pref.cs folder in your "main" folder next to your Crowns of Power program.

2. Open the file with a text editor such as NotePad.

3. Add the following lines of code to the very top of the page:

$pref::OpenGL::disableEXTCompiledVertexArray = "1";
$pref::TS::UseTriangles = "1";

4. Restart your game and play it, you should see your fps go up about 10-30.

[elecjester]

The reason we have such poor FPS, is simply because this game engine pretty much totally ignores our video cards and runs completely off of our cpu/ram.

So the more your doing on your PC, hence the more resources being used, the slower the game is going to run (I find even running winamp will drop my FPS by 30+ in some areas).

Just a heads up.

[Neotyguy40]

The reason we have such poor FPS, is simply because this game engine pretty much totally ignores our video cards and runs completely off of our cpu/ram.

So the more your doing on your PC, hence the more resources being used, the slower the game is going to run (I find even running winamp will drop my FPS by 30+ in some areas).

Just a heads up.

TGE has one of the best online capabilities in any game engine, so I agree it is the graphics. But it isn't the game engine, because almost no other game made with this engine is doing what it is now. It is what they have put in the game that seems to have made this game lagging.

That is why I am doing what I am now, because I may be 13, but I know many ways to lower the graphical needs of this game. Infact, my goal is to get everybody to have over 60 fps all the time during the game.

[tripp]

That is why I am doing what I am now, because I may be 13, but I know many ways to lower the graphical needs of this game. Infact, my goal is to get everybody to have over 60 fps all the time during the game.

i hope so.. id like to have fps at 60.. atm i range between 10-21.5fps i dont have a prob with what i get now.. but anything faster is good :P

[Neotyguy40]

i hope so.. id like to have fps at 60.. atm i range between 10-21.5fps i dont have a prob with what i get now.. but anything faster is good :P

Then you will be happy with what I am going to do!

I am almost finished re-exporting the terrain as superPNG, which will load much faster then regular PNG, and that will help it alot.

[elecjester]

Uh Neo ...

The dev's have told me so themselves.

This game DOES NOT take advantage of our videocards. It draws almost solely on our cpu and ram to drive it.

That is why they have repeatedly said they want to upgrade to a newer, better engine, but there is a fairly large cost involved (think it was somewhere near 40k) hence we have to make due for now.

[Neotyguy40]

Uh Neo ...

The dev's have told me so themselves.

This game DOES NOT take advantage of our videocards. It draws almost solely on our cpu and ram to drive it.

That is why they have repeatedly said they want to upgrade to a newer, better engine, but there is a fairly large cost involved (think it was somewhere near 40k) hence we have to make due for now.

Well then, why is it that I can play this game with 140 fps with only 512 MB of RAM?

I'll tell ya how, I hacked the game and made it work better. Now I am not going to show you all the ways, because there are too many to post. But I AM working out some more effective ways to do that. Now I know they want to upgrade to another game engine (TGEA), but even then the game will still be slow. Why? Well let's look at it this way:

The game engine is not the problem, infact it isn't even half the problem. The problem is the GAME.

The only other game engine they can upgrade to is TGEA, because that's the only one that can load the exact same game, and I doubt they will switch to another game engine and ruin a couple years of work.

Now here is the problem, the graphics also use your RAM, so if I lower the graphical need (which is easy then decompiling and rewriting the game), then that also lowers the lag on the game.

Now just relax, don't say I have no idea what I am doing or what's going on, because I do, and I am trying to fix it before everyone they upgrade the game engine to TGEA, because TGEA has better graphics, but it will make the game lag even more.

[Leaedas]

I get 50-70 fps usually. Not sure what your problems are.

[Pat2]

Neotyguy40,

My preferences file is not located where yours is evidently.
Mine is at ....CoP/main/client/pref.cs

And it already has those lines in it.
Like Leaedas I get 50-70 fps regularly.

Pat

[Ferocity]

Torque was never designed to run a MMO, the biggest problem isn't easy to fix, which would be dynamically loading datablocks etc into memory VS right now it loads them all. If your standing in diamond city, the orcs in wastes shouldn't be in your memory but they are. We do have projects in the works to get around these issues but it just takes time, until then, the game still runs, just not over 100 fps. i get about 60 + on my home and on my work machine

[Neotyguy40]

Lol, I get 150, after I fixed the terrain I got 210.

So I wonder what would happen if you guys fixed that... It seems like I would probably get 400 fps.

Anyway, why haven't you tried the MMO kit for Torque? It can fix that problem.

[Pat2]

Neo,

those graphic lines of code you suggested for terrain
they were already written that way in my preferences file.

So what "fixes" are you talking about?

Pat

[Neotyguy40]

Well then you must have put them there before (you probably saw my other thread), either that or the devs have put it in the patch.

[elecjester]

You do realise that having your FPS TOO HIGH is a bad thing right?

The "sweet spot" for FPS is 80-100.

Also, I found it rather amusing that you are telling a dev member that they have no idea what they are doing / talking about in regards to their own game (chuckle).

Now, you might have added lines, or changed lines to increase your FPS ... it still doesn't change how the engine runs, how it handles hardware, what it can support (and what it can't), and a variety of other issues.

As the staff have said, They are working on longterm fixes for these problems and will have it sorted when its sorted.

Besides, to be quite honest .. I tried your line out, and saw zero difference. The game still runs at exactly the same FPS it does, and after all your posts and promises and boasting, I haven't see you offer any proof, or show any other pieces of your work.

[Sparda1234]

Besides, to be quite honest .. I tried your line out, and saw zero difference. The game still runs at exactly the same FPSs

Same here lol

[Astrodramatica]

pics or it didnt happen.

[slipknot606]

Ok, this is my thread where I supply hacks for the game to help boost game performance, just give me feedback and tell me if it works (which means to vote high if you like it). Also, report all errors that you get in the game here if you got it only when you changed it.

Now you may be thinking, "Wait, aren't hacks illegal?"

Hacks, hacking, or modding isn't illegal (if you are thinking about breaking into computers or killing phone lines, then you are thinking of "cracking") infact, hacking is what invented the Internet and UNIX. Hacking contributes about 80% of game updates to most games, and I am going to start the hacking for CoP.

So here is what I am going to do to help out the game, I have heard many people were suffering from extreme lag, so I am going to make this game need to take less graphical power.


What I plan to do:

1. Replace all PNG textures with a better 16-bit superPNG file. If your computer works with normal PNG pictures, then you will have no problem with superPNG. Infact it will work even faster.

2. Make a few changes to code to boost up speeds with the graphics card.

3. Change the meshes of certain objects to delete faces, edges, and vertices that are unseen or unneeded.


What I have done so far:


Quads to Triangles with OpenGL preference change:

I have made a very small addition to a file that changes the terrain from quads and other shapes to triangles, this makes the graphics simpler and boosts the performance significantly without changing any graphics.

How to do it:

1. Locate your pref.cs folder in your "main" folder next to your Crowns of Power program.

2. Open the file with a text editor such as NotePad.

3. Add the following lines of code to the very top of the page:

$pref::OpenGL::disableEXTCompiledVertexArray = "1";
$pref::TS::UseTriangles = "1";

4. Restart your game and play it, you should see your fps go up about 10-30.
says i cant save it there :/

[alexstar4evr]

heyyy Neo, i would love to see some methods of how you sped up fps. I am a fellow hacker ^^, btw, and if you want you can shoot me an email at priceoflife77@aol.com

Maybe we can come up with some good stuff for the game devs or whatever

[alexstar4evr]

BTW- the location of the file may be different, depending on when you downloaded the game. Mine was in Program Files\Crowns of Power\main\client\pref.cs

I have not retried the game yet, but i will after school ^^

[alexstar4evr]

I tried the hack, and it works very nicely! I have a slow pc, and was glad to see it runin the game better! Thx bro!

~Mason~

[Ryuzaki]

I did it and have seen a significant increase, thanks. 10 to 20-25ish

[Nikkster]

Simply, don't follow them. >_<

[Jpizzle]

Says I can't save there....

[JoeDefoe]

Says I can't save there....

same for me...
would be great if this worked

[yneos]

um. not a pro, but make sure COP isn't opened. or do it right after a system restart.

[alext128]

BTW- the location of the file may be different, depending on when you downloaded the game. Mine was in Program Files\Crowns of Power\main\client\pref.cs

I have not retried the game yet, but i will after school ^^

30minutes later...

I tried the hack, and it works very nicely! I have a slow pc, and was glad to see it runin the game better! Thx bro!

~Mason~

looks like the poster made a new account and made this post? lol so fishy...

[monaro]

Sorry to say to you, but im quite sure that doing this is against the rules...

" You agree that you will not (i) modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Program or the Service; (ii) create or use cheats, bots, "mods", and/or hacks, or any other third-party software designed to modify the Crowns of Power experience".

[medman]

Sorry to say to you, but im quite sure that doing this is against the rules...

" You agree that you will not (i) modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Program or the Service; (ii) create or use cheats, bots, "mods", and/or hacks, or any other third-party software designed to modify the Crowns of Power experience".

maybe if Rampid had made their game better, and run off our video cards as it should, we wouldn't need hacks like these to make game play enjoyable. If anyone is suspended or banned for hacks as simple as making the game run smoother, that would just be ludacris, and I'm pretty sure is not at all Rampid's intention when writing that line.

[Invincible]

I just did it,
No change...
from 49 -49 fps average
same run through too...
:/

[monaro]

maybe if Rampid had made their game better, and run off our video cards as it should, we wouldn't need hacks like these to make game play enjoyable. If anyone is suspended or banned for hacks as simple as making the game run smoother, that would just be ludacris, and I'm pretty sure is not at all Rampid's intention when writing that line.

Well you try run a MMORPG with 5 people, with the admins also having to watch Outwar and help there every now and then. In saying this, CoP atm is still only a new and small game. How do you expect the admins to fork out new servers every week to fix the lag?

[Invincible]

Well you try run a MMORPG with 5 people, with the admins also having to watch Outwar and help there every now and then.

iirc cop admins are separate to ow admins ...

[monaro]

iirc cop admins are separate to ow admins ...

Yes, but, they are constantly helping on that side aswell.

[Invincible]

Yes, but, they are constantly helping on that side aswell.

I was under the impression separate team meant that; separate...

[medman]

Well you try run a MMORPG with 5 people, with the admins also having to watch Outwar and help there every now and then. In saying this, CoP atm is still only a new and small game. How do you expect the admins to fork out new servers every week to fix the lag?

what the hell does lag and new servers and admins have to do with them not programming the game to use video cards, and hacks like this becoming nearly mandatory for people with slower computers to enjoy playing the game?

Seriously people, please read what you are quoting, and think through your post before hitting "Submit Reply"

[skeezyboy]

/Agree

It helped my FPS out for sure I think you gotta enter it every time you load the game though much like the regular CoP preferences that for some reason unsave themselves...

Its like a cop trying to arrest Batman.
I love you medman

[mexicansushi]

i dunno what u all talking about, but im closer to 100 posts!

[DeathStalker908]

what the hell does lag and new servers and admins have to do with them not programming the game to use video cards, and hacks like this becoming nearly mandatory for people with slower computers to enjoy playing the game?

Seriously people, please read what you are quoting, and think through your post before hitting "Submit Reply"

The admins didn't program the game engine, dumbass, they are forced to work with whatever they could get, because of their small budget. Modifying the game engine to make it run on video cards could possibly take longer than it took to get CoP where it is right now. If you have any complaints about the game engine causing lag, go make a post on garagegames.com.

Yes, there is some lag once in awhile that the admins could fix (from a server or zone reset), but that's just about it. They could use a lower LoD (level of detail) to stop some lag, but then the models would look awful (from a far distance).

Buy a gaming computer if you're really desperate..then you can play any other game you want without lagging as well.

Well you try run a MMORPG with 5 people...

I thought that only 3 people were running CoP, heh.

Anyways, other game companies have HUNDREDS of employees that have their own specific job and section to create for the game they work on. Rampid, on the other hand, doesn't have the freedom of those resources, and have to create the ENTIRE game by themselves. It's alot of work...trust me.

[Ryuzaki]

trust me.


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[DeathStalker908]

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[SanteeClawz81]

My fps drops to 2.5 occasionally, making the game unbearably slow. My little nothing of a laptop the school loaned me got fps speeds of 27 or so at all time. Is there something I can do to fix such terribly low fps? I will try adding the lines when I get home but after reading the entire thread I am sure I will need more than that.

[medman]

The admins didn't program the game engine, dumbass, they are forced to work with whatever they could get, because of their small budget. Modifying the game engine to make it run on video cards could possibly take longer than it took to get CoP where it is right now. If you have any complaints about the game engine causing lag, go make a post on garagegames.com.

They were forced to chose a shitty game engine? Rofl, I don't care what budget constraints are, you don't chose the game engine that is shit because it is cheap, dumbass.



Buy a gaming computer if you're really desperate..then you can play any other game you want without lagging as well.



I have not only 1 but 3, and they will play every single game on the market I want to play.....except CoP. When I see how CoP is good enough to need a better computer than WoW:WotLK, then I may decide to go out and spend even more money just to play a free game ;)

[Invincible]

When I see how CoP is good enough to need a better computer than WoW:WotLK, then I may decide to go out and spend even more money just to play a free game ;)

I find it funnier how WoW runs better on worse computers than people who play CoP use lmao

I build my computer at the start of last year, my stuff is all mid to high range components and CoP still runs worse than Crysis for me LMAO

That's what you call epic engine fail :)

[DeathStalker908]

They were forced to chose a shitty game engine? Rofl, I don't care what budget constraints are, you don't chose the game engine that is shit because it is cheap, dumbass.

Well..you can't expect admins just to switch game engines randomly, even if they can afford it. The programming language would be different..and some model files can't be put in the game engine...dumbshit. Making that transition would be very time-consuming....

Since you seem so intelligent, how about you do something useful and contribute something to Rampid? Oh wait, you don't know shit..

Get your facts straight before you start commenting on the forums...

[medman]

Well..you can't expect admins just to switch game engines randomly, even if they can afford it. The programming language would be different..and some model files can't be put in the game engine...dumbshit. Making that transition would be very time-consuming....


I never once said they should have switched it, re-read what I said.

you can keep on with the personal attacks all you want, I assure you, it will not affect my life. I never once claimed I could program a game, if I could, I would have no problem submitting it, in fact I am trying to learn some PHP now to do just that, except not for CoP obviously.

[DeathStalker908]

I never once said they should have switched it, re-read what I said.

you can keep on with the personal attacks all you want, I assure you, it will not affect my life. I never once claimed I could program a game, if I could, I would have no problem submitting it, in fact I am trying to learn some PHP now to do just that, except not for CoP obviously.

You said...

"I don't care what budget constraints are, you don't chose the game engine that is shit because it is cheap...

It sounds to me that you want them to use a better game engine..

[medman2]

You said...

"I don't care what budget constraints are, you don't chose the game engine that is shit because it is cheap...

It sounds to me that you want them to use a better game engine..

It sounds to me that it should have been thought out better in the beginning, sure I would love to see them use a game engine that isn't retarded, but I do understand how much of a b1tch it would be to change at this point. My entire point this entire thread is nothing more than the simple fact that for the people that use neo's little triangle hack shouldn't be punished, and it is a great help to some, because of the game engine that Rampid decided to go with.

~~MedMan

[Invincible]

You said...

"I don't care what budget constraints are, you don't chose the game engine that is shit because it is cheap...

It sounds to me that you want them to use a better game engine..

You really need to stop reading into things
All of this argument because you thought you read something that wasn't there lol
In none of medmans posts does he say they should swap all he is saying is they should have STARTED with a better engine as in saving up before purchasing so that everyone can enjoy it as it should be run off gfx cards :|
Gawd
Still i don't see any increase with this hack, isn't it time for a new one ? :\

[medman2]

Still i don't see any increase with this hack, isn't it time for a new one ? :\

It actually did boost my FPS by 5-10, but would definitely prefer other things he was talking about to speed it up, PMed him weeks ago and no response. What I would really love is some admins posting hacks to make it run better.

[JoeDefoe]

I would really love is some admins posting hacks to make it run better.

Yea, if they have some ideas they should share them!!;)

[SanteeClawz81]

would be great if my fps wasn't 2.5 in a few places. less arguing and more improvements!

[xFear]

I average 62.2 FPS daily gonna try your code. And let you know where I stand.

I didnt really notice a change...it went to 64fps....when i Look at the sky its at 200 FPS

[B0b the Sage]

no change. i always get around 30, maybe a little less, with or without those 2 lines.

[Hofbrauhaus]

i dont care about this thread at all... just going for 100 posts

[Bluvicar]

I tried it and it did nothing for me :( /cry

[NizzamusJerkheart]

lol i did it and it reset all my game settings. weird

[Nikkster]

i hope so.. id like to have fps at 60.. atm i range between 10-21.5fps i dont have a prob with what i get now.. but anything faster is good :P

Buy a new graphic card for $160 and you will always have 60 at fps and sometimes even more.

I'm usually having 70 in fps with my new graphic card, the clockspeed is awesome. ;)

[Crow]

Shame this dude left, looks like he had few ideas and good will to contribute to Cop.
Who knows where cop would be if he was around little longer.

Maybe he should have named tread litle diferent haha, when you say hack to teh kid he knows its going to be something bad, and then he rage and rage haha.

[Trauma69.0]

I seriously doubt it...