Raven got Pwned

[simonrobinson]

the gods have been made alot harder thats bad enough but the drop rate has been nerfed real bad.

you hardly get any items per run now

[Firestarter]

noticed that on your last run, hec. i'm looking forward to see if people still gonna buy raven items at the price u posted in your crew profile ...

[simonrobinson]

noticed that on your last run, hec. i'm looking forward to see if people still gonna buy raven items at the price u posted in your crew profile ...

i doubt they will but if they dont then ravens about to die lol cause 90% crews wont beat him.

tfos raids on him they needed 5 flasks 10 resist potions and a sammy they did use 5 bad accounts though only wayne is a good account in that 5

[Firestarter]

people complained about sr, we got our wanted change, rofl. guess staff will be happy , people will have to buy flasks again and items' prices will go up

[simonrobinson]

people complained about sr, we got our wanted change, rofl. guess staff will be happy , people will have to buy flasks again and items' prices will go up

they wont though thats the pt lol people will just stop doing raven

[CrazyBildoe]

this is the most idiotic thing... SR shouldn't get harder on rancid... all these updateds mess up everything, you guys just can't change things with out wondering if people would care...

People worked their asses off to get items to have 900/900 resistance (fire/shadow) and you guys make it so these darn people can't even do SR with out buying more flask... idk if you guys have eyes but it looks like ur trying to spell out greed...

[CrazyBildoe]

people complained about sr, we got our wanted change, rofl. guess staff will be happy , people will have to buy flasks again and items' prices will go up

and why the hell would prices go up? no ones gonna pay more...

this would be an example some what like the great depression... no one has points, and you expect prices to go up...
people arn't gonna pay for for freaking items now... blood soaked leg plates sell for ummmmmmm 250 points? and you think SR prices will go up... you got to be the biggest idiot ever..,

[Firestarter]

haven't done sr after the new changes, but i'm guessing if u have 900 resist , u can do sr without flasks, 1 account with 900 resist won't be enough to do sr if u got 4 other accounts with crappy resistance.
P.S. and u gotta watch your language, kiddo. keep crying for your stupid server which no one cares about :D

[simonrobinson]

this is the most idiotic thing... SR shouldn't get harder on rancid... all these updateds mess up everything, you guys just can't change things with out wondering if people would care...

People worked their asses off to get items to have 900/900 resistance (fire/shadow) and you guys make it so these darn people can't even do SR with out buying more flask... idk if you guys have eyes but it looks like ur trying to spell out greed...

GO CRAZY GO CRAZY GO CRAZY GOGOGOGGOGOGOGOGOGOGO!!!!!

[CrazyBildoe]

haven't done sr after the new changes, but i'm guessing if u have 900 resist , u can do sr without flasks, 1 account with 900 resist won't be enough to do sr if u got 4 other accounts with crappy resistance.
P.S. and u gotta watch your language, kiddo. keep crying for your stupid server which no one cares about :D

well your 'butt' just guessed wrong... i was running 5 accounts alsat night, we had troubles on first 2 people, took a few raids... nothing like buying flasks...

umm then on the corruptor..... do i even need to say? we had to get everyone 900/900 and it took 5-10 raids with LUCKY blocks to win...

now teh reckoning is harder than corruptor...... took like 10 or more raids to beat him... had to buy a kin atk flask just to win.... and we got lucky with that win too...

and ohh, all our accounts were at like 800/900 mabey 1 wasn't but he had full shadow and we still had troubles with the reckoning.


and fire... not to mention your prob a shit player, idk your accounts, but i've accomplished a shit ton... possibly more than you will ever acomplish so you can just stfd...

[Firestarter]

i probably had my blade when u told your daddy that a new game has appeared on the web and u asked for his credit card so u can start up on rancid server. rofl, noobs these days

[CrazyBildoe]

i probably had my blade when u told your daddy that a new game has appeared on the web and u asked for his credit card so u can start up on rancid server. rofl, noobs these days

i doubt, that never bought points on fabar... and for how much i've given away i would say my accounts ****ing great... and you haveing a blade doesn't mean shit. i know tons of noobs with blade, and you have just added ur self to that list ;).

and as for rancid, i've prob achieved more in how ever long it started than you did in around a year...

and idk who your claling a noob, what server do you play? lol.

[Firestarter]

i play on my own server for the moment, rofl. level 65 (almost level 66) sigil monster. u probably accomplished 10 % of what i did, but that's not the point. do your math for me and tell me how on earth u got to 900 shadow/fire resist on rancid without flasks. i'm really curious

[CrazyBildoe]

i play on my own server for the moment, rofl. level 65 (almost level 66) sigil monster. u probably accomplished 10 % of what i did, but that's not the point. do your math for me and tell me how on earth u got to 900 shadow/fire resist on rancid without flasks. i'm really curious

well it was like 840/900 but phisherx had a zhulian pants, elemental preserver, grace, shadow belt and the shadow boots, adn fire helm right theres like what 650 shadow 600 fire, then theres the essence. and obliv neck which is like 775 shadow and 675 fire... he had the 15% potions on which is 100 more fire and like 890 shadow + the crew upgrades - a few items to get the best stats having full shadow resistance, then twizted6939 or w/e his name is had just about the same as him, along with 2 others... 1 person only had lower but ended up having like 700/800 resistance... maybe less...

i may be off by just a little. not to mention we ahd gotten NP and everyone had nearly 15k HP...

and as for ur account cool sigil was out for so much longer you should be lvl 65. hell i am like nearly 7 mil on rancid and it hasnt' been out for ages like sigil... not to mention i have a pretty good set now... and lvl and items don't matter much to me anymore... i think raiding a good way to prove ur self...

[Egnar]

I don't know what people think this is going to change - Frankly, all this does is piss off the Mid level crews that were capable of doing Stone Raven. It was enough that they could no longer do it no flask because they didn't have maces and now they can't even do it at all.

No, this isn't going to raise prices much because the majority of people already have Stone Raven gods, also, it just means crews have to spend more points on a run meaning points slowly drain out of the economy even faster then they do now. With people not buying the gods at the new prices because they're used to old prices crews will eventually stop running it due to costs making it worthless.

I think, from a business aspect, this is one of the stupidest things Outwar has ever done. You can leave content up for a year and then bam! make 2 completly major changes to something designed for people 55+ just because we have higher levels now. It's not fair and it's a shady business tactic, especially considering it wasn't announce so any crew not checking the forum is going to end up paying for a run and being suprised. . .Though I bet this is exactly how Rampid planned it.

The answer to the SR problem isn't to change something that;'s been around for so long. The answer is waiting for new content. Not 5 new bosses in an annoying to get to spot with silly augments to make Stone Raven even easier but new completely original content.

All this new content did is make it so only those already decked out in Stone Raven gear can run Stone Raven

[Firestarter]

well, i don't know about u, crazy bildoe, but hecatonchires on sigil server made full run without any flasks(hope i'm not mistaking, hec can tell if so or not). and i doubt the 5 accounts he used had 900/900 resist. his crew is fully upgraded though

[champ]

First of all; noone cares about your accomplishments.

Second of all, all you noobs who wanted to try Raven when hitting 55, Owned!!1!

lol.

[CrazyBildoe]

well, i don't know about u, crazy bildoe, but hecatonchires on sigil server made full run without any flasks(hope i'm not mistaking, hec can tell if so or not). and i doubt the 5 accounts he used had 900/900 resist. his crew is fully upgraded though

when did he do the run? yesterday?

[Firestarter]

no, after sr was changed, check crew Outwar Immortals on sigil

[Sparda1234]

lol @ fabar nubs...

Anyways, why cry about rancid server being changed... rancid hasnt been out for long its a good change for rancid it will stop server getting too over flooded with the items people shouldnt even be able to beat raven on rancid yet.

It is true, raven prices wont go up because people who want raven already have raven, it should how ever make the none raven items go back up abit again due to not many people able to do raven now.

[Rampid_Justin]

To be honest, I didn't make any change, nor did I hear about any change being made at any point (we post things in a project manager, and this would've been something that got posted, or at least talked about in the office).

There may be an issue with stone raven, resistances, or something else, but I'll have to investigate tomorrow. Don't freak out too fast, this could just be a bug. :)

[Sparda1234]

If it is just a bug then it should be left alone and not fixed lol.

Raven should be hard to do, and currently people are doing raven with multis to grow them.

[papercut36]

Did they even change the rage or anything on the 2nd part mobs?

[Egnar]

If it is just a bug then it should be left alone and not fixed lol.

Raven should be hard to do, and currently people are doing raven with multis to grow them.
All things when they're released should be hard to do and as time passes they become easier. Stone Raven is nearly a year old, it shouldn't be that hard considering the equipment out now.

[Swudeson]

9 months old... guess we're rounding up quite a bit eh?

But, yeah. Things get easier the longer they are available. The Augment gods might not have been the best idea though...

[Sparda1234]

All things when they're released should be hard to do and as time passes they become easier. Stone Raven is nearly a year old, it shouldn't be that hard considering the equipment out now.

It should still be very hard on rancid.

[simonrobinson]

To be honest, I didn't make any change, nor did I hear about any change being made at any point (we post things in a project manager, and this would've been something that got posted, or at least talked about in the office).

There may be an issue with stone raven, resistances, or something else, but I'll have to investigate tomorrow. Don't freak out too fast, this could just be a bug. :)

if its just a bug how come drop rate was also lowered raven hardly drops any gods now

[Egnar]

if its just a bug how come drop rate was also lowered raven hardly drops any gods nowHow many times could you have possibly done Stone Raven in the past 2 days to know this?. . .

In the last few weeks my guild has gotten 5 times in a row 0 items from natas and just an arm from Stein. . .Other guilds were getting 2-3 items. . .

[simonrobinson]

How many times could you have possibly done Stone Raven in the past 2 days to know this?. . .

In the last few weeks my guild has gotten 5 times in a row 0 items from natas and just an arm from Stein. . .Other guilds were getting 2-3 items. . .

because no matter how many times you do raven corruptor has never dropped 0 items and reckoning is normally 2-3 items but hey your the raven king so i must be wrong ...noob

[Firestarter]

lol, asking hec how many raven runs he did is like asking a porn actress how many men slept with her :D

[Egnar]

I didn't ask him how many runs he did - I simply asked how many he could have possibly done in the last 2 days to know that this change even touched the drop rate. . .Max runs possible? 4. . .not enough to gauge drop rate.

Call me a newb all you want but logic pretty much owns your argument.

[Firestarter]

i didn't call u a noob, logic and facts say that corruptor always drops smth and reckoning always drops at least 2 items. nuff said. u don't have to be an ow doctor to know that
P.S. my mistake, i saw hec called u a noob. trust him, he's done more raven runs than anybody

[Egnar]

i didn't call u a noob, logic and facts say that corruptor always drops smth and reckoning always drops at least 2 items. nuff said. u don't have to be an ow doctor to know that
P.S. my mistake, i saw hec called u a noob. trust him, he's done more raven runs than anybody
Justin stated about 3-4 days ago that all gods have a chance at dropping no items at all because each item has it's own separate % chance to drop, thus, Reckoning and Corrupter aren't guaranteed 2-3 items.

[Rampid_Justin]

Justin stated about 3-4 days ago that all gods have a chance at dropping no items at all because each item has it's own separate % chance to drop, thus, Reckoning and Corrupter aren't guaranteed 2-3 items.

Correct, 0 drops are possible for almost any gods.

[Wizzy]

How many times could you have possibly done Stone Raven in the past 2 days to know this?. . .

In the last few weeks my guild has gotten 5 times in a row 0 items from natas and just an arm from Stein. . .Other guilds were getting 2-3 items. . .
because no matter how many times you do raven corruptor has never dropped 0 items and reckoning is normally 2-3 items but hey your the raven king so i must be wrong ...noob

How many times could you have possibly done Stone Raven in the past 2 days to know this?. . .

In the last few weeks my guild has gotten 5 times in a row 0 items from natas and just an arm from Stein. . .Other guilds were getting 2-3 items. . .
Correct, 0 drops are possible for almost any gods.

pooned?

If it is just a bug then it should be left alone and not fixed lol.

Raven should be hard to do, and currently people are doing raven with multis to grow them.

If the bug is left as is, they need to increase the minimum level required to purchase a crate. It seems harder yes...but ionno, maybe we'll figure something out within a few days.

But at the current level and resistance, with good accounts and fully upgraded resistance on the crew, the raids shouldn't have given this much trouble to beat. All of the effort in the resistance and upgrades should count for more.

[Egnar]

It makes sense to keep it at a level where only people already in Stone Raven gods can do Stone Raven fully equipped/buffed?. . .I think not.

[jeffers1986]

Why am I not surprised? Fixing something that wasn't broken again.

[simonrobinson]

Correct, 0 drops are possible for almost any gods.

i totally agree only 0 drops have never been on corruptor untill 2 days ago thats all i was saying and as justin said in a post theres was a bug in resistance what makes it so theres not a bug in the drop too

owned!!!

[Egnar]

I'm not implying there may not be a bug in the drops I was just asking how you could immediatly come to that conclusion with such a small sample size. You can easily do it with raids since they're pretty set in stone and if you're having trouble with the same group you do it with everyday you know something is up. But when drops can be 0 and you only had a total of 4 raids to go off of it's possible that nothing has changed and you just got unlucky.

[Rampid_Justin]

Greg said he didn't change anything that would effect the "hardness" of mobs in SR. He did make it impossible to do double runs.

I changed some raid code. I literally changed two lines of code.

Both lines of code are located inside the loop that goes through and deals damage to each person in the crew from the raid mob. The first line is in the normal damage part, and the second is where it loops through elemental damage.

First addition:
if($temp_dmg < 0){ $temp_dmg = 0; }

Second addition:
if($resist > 900){ $resist = 900; }

As you can see, it only makes sense to have these there. One makes sure there's no negative damage being dealt from normal damage, and one makes sure elemental resistance is capped at 90%. I thought that the cap would've been checked other places, but that could have been what made raids harder.

Example: From a raid in your (Hec) results:
The Reckoning
Attacks!
1,046
+8392 shadow

So, you get -1046 (no matter what). Then we factor in resistance. If you have 90% resist (like you told me on AIM), and then 15% from your crew (this is assuming the code actually changed something), you'd be 105% resist. This means you'd get 5% of the damage dealt, in hp. So instead of receiving 839 damage, you get 420hp back. This is definitely enough (1259 difference) to make it feel like SR was changed dramatically.

If I'm right, people with less than 900 resistance (including crew, aka what is on home + essential resistance) shouldn't notice much of a difference.

[Egnar]

For the less then bright out there:

'currently crew upgrades let you have more then 100% resist making you gain hp each attack from elemental damage, thus, this was fixed, thus, the big crews are the ones noticing this change since they have:
A) The skill maxed
B) The resources to get 900 resist.

[nhake]

Greg said he didn't change anything that would effect the "hardness" of mobs in SR. He did make it impossible to do double runs.

I changed some raid code. I literally changed two lines of code.

Both lines of code are located inside the loop that goes through and deals damage to each person in the crew from the raid mob. The first line is in the normal damage part, and the second is where it loops through elemental damage.

First addition:
if($temp_dmg < 0){ $temp_dmg = 0; }

Second addition:
if($resist > 900){ $resist = 900; }

As you can see, it only makes sense to have these there. One makes sure there's no negative damage being dealt from normal damage, and one makes sure elemental resistance is capped at 90%. I thought that the cap would've been checked other places, but that could have been what made raids harder.

Example: From a raid in your (Hec) results:
The Reckoning
Attacks!
1,046
+8392 shadow

So, you get -1046 (no matter what). Then we factor in resistance. If you have 90% resist (like you told me on AIM), and then 15% from your crew (this is assuming the code actually changed something), you'd be 105% resist. This means you'd get 5% of the damage dealt, in hp. So instead of receiving 839 damage, you get 420hp back. This is definitely enough (1259 difference) to make it feel like SR was changed dramatically.

If I'm right, people with less than 900 resistance (including crew, aka what is on home + essential resistance) shouldn't notice much of a difference.

The glitch most likely involve a negative percentage value when calculating damage. What I think happens is the person is credited with over 100% resist (with the crew upgrade), then when this resist is used for raids it actually gives them negative damage or in other words "adds" to their hp. -5% to -7% on each hit can easily give someone 400ish hp each hit which for most of these raids gives them over 50k hp for the entire raid. This counters the regular damage they take in the raid.

I still say the validation for a max of 90% doesn't take in account for the new resist potions or the crew upgrade before it's check, but that's just me. If I could look at the code I would. :P

Well I took a guess and that might have been it. Hmmm, you posted code so I'm going to say I actually looked at it. ;D

[Rampid_Justin]

It's funny because I had that thought but by the time I made the change you had posted. :p

[nhake]

It's funny because I had that thought but by the time I made the change you had posted. :p

We think a like...that's good right? Or should i be very very scared? O_O

/me is going for associates degree for web development

It's like we're the same, but not .... :O