DC security?

[Ylts]

I would like to know when security pics/system will be put to dc? coz those 200k growths are ridiculous and 500k who do SR daily

damn dcaa's everywhere

[Bloodkitty1st]

well I certainly hope they find an alternative way of doing it, perhaps a code every 15 minutes of a session, as having to put a code in every attack would get extremely Tedious and put people off of DC again.

I often get 100,000 in a day in DC without using DCAA, but because a few members use the AA, its automatically assumed everyone does.

[blizzard]

not being funny ytls
i know where your coming from it does take the piss
but the day ow do that i will quit outwar
if you had to type a sec every time u wanted to atk a mob in dc it wud take to long this games is a long time playing gaming anyways an im sure alot of plp agree wit me

[Valiance]

I OBJECT. *overruled* damnit

[Superduck]

sec images on dc mobs? are you nuts.....

[Bloodkitty1st]

meh, we used to have 'em.
and boy did they make DC'ing tediously boring.

"please click the word that appears twice"

[ginabean]

that double image thing was insane especially when you click the right word and it claimed you didnt.

[Ylts]

i dont say that we need same system with same images, but im saying that we need something to make dcaa's useless

i play 1 rpg game wheres quite good security to prevent bots/aa's

every 3-5 min (random) sec pages appears, u cant see anything else besides that page, u see image with numbers and u have to type 3 digit number (different type of fonts are used) to box (it isnt crackable, already tested :s)

if its correct then u can continue AND IF U MISCLICK OR REFRESH THAT PAGE MORE THEN 15 TIMES, u get 5 days automatic ban. well u deserve this if u are retarted enough to misclick or mistype

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/ylts/untitled-2.jpg


but i already have feeling that most of the users dont want anykind if security since they use dcaa daily -.-

[Domination]

it would make those quick attack icons pointless.

[Giuseppe]

if they take ur idea ill hax u ;o

[Bloodkitty1st]

I agree with Ylts on the page that should appear every so often, although 5 minutes still seems far too often for my liking.

every 15-20 minutes, would suffice, even be boarding on eccentric.

[Zeido111]

DCing would die instantly. Bad idea and I would probably be really, really inactive if they did that.

[Ylts]

it would make those quick attack icons pointless.

are u stupied or something?

in 3-5 min u can clean several room depends on outwar speed and room size though

[Domination]

potions hunters will hate this idea

[Keano UK]

it would make those quick attack icons pointless.

I agree.

And also. I didnt mind the old sec words when attacking, thats cause i grew around 40k every day with all my rage. Now having 20k rage and 1.3k RPT, the letters C B A come to mind. Time for World of Warcraft again ?

[dev]

I like Ylts idea. Having a sec word option pop up randomly in between 5-10 minutes would be really nice.

[Bloodkitty1st]

But then again you have to consider the people who are sat there moving accounts to different locations in DC, moving 40 accounts and having to code every several rooms, would also make everyone give up raiding.

20 minutes would give enough time to move an account anywhere on DC.

I'm guessing you prefer growing with EPT rather than DC'ing then Ylts.

[Ylts]

potions hunters will hate this idea

yea dcaa pot hunter hate this, well all dcaa users
c'mon every 5 min page popups and it would like like few sec to answer and then continue

[Keano UK]

yea dcaa pot hunter hate this, well all dcaa users
c'mon every 5 min page popups and it would like like few sec to answer and then continue

And you go take a pi.ss come back and you missed the code ?

[grizz]

bad idea. i hated the old sec images

[Ylts]

And you go take a pi.ss come back and you missed the code ?

no... u come back and type the word, u cant do ANYTHING until u have typed the number

and IF u mistype or do 15 time wrong then u're retarted and deserv that :D

[RagingHardon]

That security page every 15-20 minutes would be fine. Of course, some people will just read a book as their iMacros and DCAAs go, and type the code every 20 minutes, but at least you have to BE on outwar to do that. Unlike the people who put DCAA's on and then go out, go to sleep, etc. I mean, it takes you what, 4 seconds to type in a 3 digit number? If that would discourage legit DC'ers to stop, then you are either:

A) Lazy as all hell, too lazy to DC to begin with unless you're DC'ing someone for points.
B) A liar. If you'd quit DC altogether over that, you DCAA or pay someone who falls under (A) to DC for you and don't want people to know.

I potion hunt, for the record, so don't give me crap about "you don't know what it's like". Well, I do, so kindly shut your noise hole. Come on people, this game SUCKS when people grow half a million a day. It was incredible when Kyosuke and Ext2 where growing 80-100k a day, and even back then people thought they were cheating. With SR, higher rpt items (SR mace, anyone?) and no sec words, people can go from 55-60ish in maybe two or three weeks. And that is crap.

[kidd13]

i think random error screens would work fine cause they seem to pop up for me alot but just make then alittle more frequent :) lol

[makavelitehdon]

Well stone raven has to kick you out of the area so you have a limited time, thats why there are those new stone raven icons, but they do not work at the moment.

[Rampid_Justin]

i think random error screens would work fine cause they seem to pop up for me alot but just make then alittle more frequent :) lol

Haha good idea. ;)

[Bloodkitty1st]

That happens on the turn of the hour, mainly because during the brief update. it isn't able to complete your request to send information to OW.

that'll only happen on the hour, and is cured by simply refreshing.

[simonrobinson]

sec image in dc is insane dont you realsie the lag we already get from sec image on raids adding that to all of dc would stop gameplay-the 15 minute image could possibly work but like makavelli said they are adding it so u get kicked out of raven after a certain time, well they should do thid with dc-EG every hour you have to get a key to even be in diamond city no key means u all locked in a certain room. that way when a god spawns you have no camping at all and will need to get a key for every account u want to use just to enter dc.

[hellfighter87]

umh those images won't help shit.
Simply because wat can be written can also be analyzed.

You can learn a program to read things, so the program will still find out what digit code shows in the picture ;)
Everything you can create to secure your site, a programmer can learn(program) a program to deal with that security :)

It is maybe a better idea to use the sec word instead cause no idiot is stupid enough to put his sec word password and login name into a programe cause of the chance of key loggers :P
Atleast i think so lol

[simonrobinson]

I would like to know when security pics/system will be put to dc? coz those 200k growths are ridiculous and 500k who do SR daily

damn dcaa's everywhere

i grow 500k to 700k a day with raven and i dont use dcaa again i hate folk who accuse others
there was already a thread similar to this y start another

[Ylts]

so like lvl 40-54 doing SR? geez..

retard!

[Gangsta1337]

but because a few members use the AA, its automatically assumed everyone does.



"a few"? its hundreds

[Kourtney]

Theres a lot of possibilities for new security, and probably 99% of players (even those not dcaaing) would hate it and probably stop dcing altogether.

Changing a slow process (the old way of dcing with click the word twice) into a fast one (no sec at all, and quick attack links), and then trying to make it slow again, will destroy any interest in it.

So many aspects of outwar have turned out like this, changing the security system so many times that people simply dont wanna bother with it. This game *really* needs something refreshing, with some sort of smooth security that doesnt slow the gameplay to a crawl.

[PlayaFoSho]

I would like to know when security pics/system will be put to dc? coz those 200k growths are ridiculous and 500k who do SR daily

damn dcaa's everywhere

get off your high horse. not everyone uses a DCAA and earn that much. If you have the points for xp boost's and rage pots its easy as hell. If they want to work to get up there then let them.

[Firestarter]

some sort of security pop-up every half an hour or every 1 hour wouldn't hurt (only when people dc on accounts, not when moving to gods or any other actions)

[Domination]

some sort of security pop-up every half an hour or every 1 hour wouldn't hurt (only when people dc on accounts, not when moving to gods or any other actions)

I like that, that would at the leased slow down dcaa'ing or stop it altogether.

[yneos]

just make a script that sends you the name of people who have DC'd xamount of exp, than have a button "teleport to jail" so it teleports said person to jail were it gives you can DC or teleport out, but if you DC it obviously means your DCAAIng

[crudedude]

i think there should be some sec thing that pops up 15-20 minutes but like firestarter said only if u attack mobs, because it would be hella annoying trying to move to gods and keep having to stop and type in some sec image

[chgangstapur1]

get off your high horse. not everyone uses a DCAA and earn that much. If you have the points for xp boost's and rage pots its easy as hell. If they want to work to get up there then let them.


yea, xp boosts and rage pots..its easy to get that much when if you dcaa

so playafosho, how you kno its so easy huh?


looks like your dcaa is workin out for ya

[HackLegend]

Like schietstoel on Fabar dcing for 45 minutes without ANY items on what so ever? Ya...there's no proof at all.

[nhake]

yea, xp boosts and rage pots..its easy to get that much when if you dcaa

so playafosho, how you kno its so easy huh?


looks like your dcaa is workin out for ya

maybe...juuuusssttttt maybe.....he's gotten rage pots and exp boosts? I know, I know using common sense is far beyond comprehension for some people.

[KeithFlint]

roflmao, just think of the amount of time u need to spend on ow clicking attack links to grow 500 k a day. u wouldn't even have time to use the toilet. nuff said. dcaa ftw

[Gadzuric]

I guess Ill revive this thread a bit.. cause its def needed.
lots of people growing 300k a day without being online.. kinda unfair to ppl that actually DO play this game.
and like Ylts posted over 1 month ago.. 1 captcha every 15-20 min should get rid of most DCAA-usage.
making it time-based would be kinda annoying though, cause it would also mean you'd have to unlock every account if you're moving to a god.
Would be nice however if after you killed for example 250 mobs you'd get a dc lock with captcha page.
sooo.. you kill 250 mobs.. then when you try moving to the next room it gives an error msg "you killed 250 mobs.. plz type these 2 words" with a captcha like used for raids on that page.
That page should show up as long as a person hasnt answered it correctly (and only from own rga.. trustees shouldnt be able to do this).
If ppl (or dcaas) dont answer the captcha.. they cant move in dc anymore (and not grow).. and their crew cant move/use them for gods anymore.

There will always be ppl that start shouting they'll quit if this is implemented.. but Im sure every legit DCer wouldnt mind typing a captcha every 15 min if it stops program-users from growing.

[papercut36]

blah blah blah

[Itai]

very good idea ylts. I have always hated people who use automated programs and macros to DC their account. lets make this game fair again :)

admins should add this security image! thanks for the idea...

[sexpuppet]

basically they took out the security parameter's due to it lagging the servers so unless they find a way to put a security that wont make the game lag more then it already dose ... it wont happen :| thats the main reason they took it out .... im sure they didn't want to because that was the only for sure way to stop dcaa/macro's but its the only thing they could do to make the lag stop ...


and sorry if this has been said before stoped reading after 3rd post

[Gadzuric]

think the DCAAs are causing more lag then the sec images will if this gets added. there would only be 1 every for example 250 mobs in my idea.. shouldnt cause much lag.

[sexpuppet]

I guess Ill revive this thread a bit.. cause its def needed.
lots of people growing 300k a day without being online.. kinda unfair to ppl that actually DO play this game.
and like Ylts posted over 1 month ago.. 1 captcha every 15-20 min should get rid of most DCAA-usage.
making it time-based would be kinda annoying though, cause it would also mean you'd have to unlock every account if you're moving to a god.
Would be nice however if after you killed for example 250 mobs you'd get a dc lock with captcha page.
sooo.. you kill 250 mobs.. then when you try moving to the next room it gives an error msg "you killed 250 mobs.. plz type these 2 words" with a captcha like used for raids on that page.
That page should show up as long as a person hasnt answered it correctly (and only from own rga.. trustees shouldnt be able to do this).
If ppl (or dcaas) dont answer the captcha.. they cant move in dc anymore (and not grow).. and their crew cant move/use them for gods anymore.

There will always be ppl that start shouting they'll quit if this is implemented.. but Im sure every legit DCer wouldnt mind typing a captcha every 15 min if it stops program-users from growing.

and what happens if somehow a program pops up with all the possible combinations of letters ... becouse i mean if i was a programmer i would figure out how many diff codes there would be and when that image comes up the program could read the script and automaicly know what to type in ... i mean im not a programmer or any thing but i think that is possible ... but yea im against dcaa users ... i dc myself for about 2 hours in the mornign and 2 hours at night of couse i only got 16k mr but i grow the same ammt of dcaa users ... dcaa users are just lazy now if the people that complained about dcaa users just actually dced .... maybe this wouldnt be a problem any more ?

[Gadzuric]

Ive raided looooooots of times and I dont think ive ever had a 2-word-combo that was exactly the same. so your programming idea there wont work.

if the people that complained about dcaa users just actually dced .... maybe this wouldnt be a problem any more?
what kind of logic is this? I shouldnt be complaining about prog use but I should dc instead? I am dcing actually.. a bit every day.. but seeing ppl that are online like 15 min a day outgrow me 10x is just f*cked up.
Everyone agrees something should be done about it (well except our dcaa friends), when is Outwar actually gonna do something about it?

[Domination]

they should just add to the raid security make it pop up randomly, anyone that doesn't use a dcaa shouldn't have a problem with it.

[xFelix]

no matter whats done with your security images there will always be a way to dcaa.. im not saying I do im just saying its pointless.

If you put sec image on all the mobs everyone will quit dcing.
if you put sec image every x minutes, the dcaa'rs will just atk until that time comes, login click the word and go again.
If you make it random it has a slight possibility of doing it back to back or maybe even seconds after you did it.

Wanna kill Typpo's DCAA for atleast a day? make it so that when a user enters DC on his own RGA he has to pass security.php. thatll slow typpo for a day then again youd be screwing every crew over cause they wont be able to move accts to gods anymore lol..

[dtowns]

Justin, here's an idea... Just make it so that, after every 30 attacked mobs, security_prompt.php appears for trying to load world.php. Once they input the security word, they can attack 30 more mobs before world.php is again restricted by security_prompt.php.

Of course, this would be easy to program, but who would input their sec into typpo's DCAA ? :rolleyes: Some ppl may be desperate, but they won't risk that much, they care about their accs more.

Edit: This would only stop DCing-while-sleeping. Lol. Of course they can login and input the sec personally. But it's the same for security words. They can either be OCRed, or typpo can just make the DCAA pause and ask user to input the security image into the dcaa, so it can continue.

And in case he really does OCR the images, means DCAAs will run while sleeping too. So sec-input would be a better method. :)

[Seraphim]

Justin, here's an idea... Just make it so that, after every 30 attacked mobs, security_prompt.php appears for trying to load world.php. Once they input the security word, they can attack 30 more mobs before world.php is again restricted by security_prompt.php.

Of course, this would be easy to program, but who would input their sec into typpo's DCAA ? :rolleyes: Some ppl may be desperate, but they won't risk that much, they care about their accs more.

Edit: This would only stop DCing-while-sleeping. Lol. Of course they can login and input the sec personally. But it's the same for security words. They can either be OCRed, or typpo can just make the DCAA pause and ask user to input the security image into the dcaa, so it can continue.

And in case he really does OCR the images, means DCAAs will run while sleeping too. So sec-input would be a better method. :)

I say stop trying to beat the man! Instead suckle his teet and try improving game play, ya know like bring back wars.

[GAGE]

lol why even try and stop typpo if u are so worried about people growing alot cap growth

[medman]

when there was the 2 words click to make an attack on a DC mob there were Semi DCAAs that you just had to click the word that appeared twice and it did everything else. Sure more annoying and made people have to be at computer for it, but nonetheless allowed people to still DCAA. I rarely DC. I grow about 40-50k a day with PP and ept, and though not much, it is soemthing.

I personally don't care too much what others do to cheat if it doesn't affect me (obviously i care more about AJs and ASs more). and you can say how DCAA does affect me indirectly, and I'm sure you're at least partially correct, however I'm not too concerned with other people.

What I am concerned about is the site slowing down to a crawl, becuase I am pretty active and hate it taking forever to load a page. And from time to time I do DC, and i don't want me to hate having to do it. I DCed for more hours than I care to remember during WoZ latest wave, and I can guarantee had there been something to click constantly for the attacks (or even every 15 minutes) I would not have been on anywhere near as much as I was.

And suspending based on growth is a little retarded. I also have to say a max growth per day is a little out there. If memory serves me correctly, when there was a cap before, you also had underlings, and clicks on your link got you growth. Therefore having a nice proxy clicker (and proxies) could let you grow unlimited (obviously an exaggeration) if there were not limits. same for underlings growth, with no limit, you could have everyone in OW under you and grow a gazillion a dya if there were no limits. I don't see DCAA use going down with a cap. say we cap it at 100k or so, how many peopel that use DCAA currently get more than that a day? I'm guessing not that large of a percent. Meanign there will still be tons of DCAAers.

[xFelix]

how bout instead of trying to fix the issue with DCAA's we fix the issue that DC on Torax is screwed up first! ^_^

as for dcaa's... ffs cap growth.. its not like arjs where the person is killing YOUR chance of getting better gods... theyre just growing more then you are.

And dont come saying DCAA is the cause of lag, its not. slow servers and thousands if not millions of queries to the sql servers is. Even without dcaa the average user will make his large amounts of queries to the sql server a day... now imagine 100,000+ per server... Wont even mention how horrible the hour change is...

You wanna lighten up the game? compress your image files to make file sending quicker and lighter, program php efficiently and reduce the amount of queries to your sql database...

as for dcaa's go.. if you cap growth.. there wont be a point to checking dc logs or have a script logging dc anymore cause no matter what everyone can only grow x amount, be it by dcaa or manual or whatever method... :) (thatll speed up the site too..) just log whoever grows more then cap :p

[pimpa]

i dont say that we need same system with same images, but im saying that we need something to make dcaa's useless

i play 1 rpg game wheres quite good security to prevent bots/aa's

every 3-5 min (random) sec pages appears, u cant see anything else besides that page, u see image with numbers and u have to type 3 digit number (different type of fonts are used) to box (it isnt crackable, already tested :s)

if its correct then u can continue AND IF U MISCLICK OR REFRESH THAT PAGE MORE THEN 15 TIMES, u get 5 days automatic ban. well u deserve this if u are retarted enough to misclick or mistype

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/ylts/untitled-2.jpg


but i already have feeling that most of the users dont want anykind if security since they use dcaa daily -.-



Lol i didnt read all of that however if u only have to input 3 digits it really wouldnt be that hard to code considering theres only 999 different combinations ;)

[PimpTheMonkey]

If that method is as secure as ylts says it is, I would absolutely love it! I wouldn't care about entering 3 (THREE) numbers every 5 minutes. Do you know how long it takes me to enter 3 numbers? About 3 seconds, at most. So that's going to be 1% of the time spent on this security page. Even if you spent 10 hours a day DCing, the security pages would cost at most 10 minutes of time. I'd gladly give up that to stop DCAA's.

[almightywoodygod]

Lol i didnt read all of that however if u only have to input 3 digits it really wouldnt be that hard to code considering theres only 999 different combinations ;)


Actually it would be a thousand combinations :P (000)


Having to enter a security code (whether generated randomly or your personal, because a lot of people probably still would put there security code in a prog if it meant they could grow with no work) based on time or # of attacks is kind of a good idea, but still has the potential for abuse because there would be a pattern for it to follow.

I don't like the idea of people randomly getting teleported because they don't have a key for that hour, or because they were attacking. Moving around in DC CAN take forever even on a high speed connection with a pimped out pc. As far as bringing the old system back, it was taken out for a reason, it should remain gone (I guess).

The only feasible solution I see is to have the random security pop up at a random interval of time (somewhere between 5-20 minutes), on accounts that have attacked in say the last hour. 5 minutes may be too short, but then again I have blown through all my rage in 5 minutes when ow was moving quickly.