Penalties for using DCAA & other illegal Programs

[Dark_Dragon_311]

I think people who get caught using any type of illegal program should be de-leveled down to level 1 for 1st offence and completely suspended on 2nd offence. It's really rediculous having to deal w/ horrible lag cuz someone too damn lazy to dc themselves or too lazy to type a couple of words for a raid. i know a lot of high levels would disagree; however, something really does need to be done w/ people using programs.

[jZampage]

I think people who get caught using any type of illegal program should be de-leveled down to level 1 for 1st offence and completely suspended on 2nd offence. It's really rediculous having to deal w/ horrible lag cuz someone too damn lazy to dc themselves or too lazy to type a couple of words for a raid. i know a lot of high levels would disagree; however, something really does need to be done w/ people using programs.

Most people using a DCAA are such a high level, going back to level 1 will be the same as a suspension. Let alone, if everyone who was suspended for using a program, then I guarantee you, 80% of outwar would be suspended.

[NightThaProphet]

I like the idea of losing exp though, maybe not so drastic, Like 3 levels or or a few million

[jZampage]

I like the idea of losing exp though, maybe not so drastic, Like 3 levels or or a few million

They can't really deduct experience because they don't have proof as to how long you've been using it. A better idea would be a suspension for a certain period of time. A good 2 weeks would be an efficient suspension in my eyes.

[Dark_Dragon_311]

They can't really deduct experience because they don't have proof as to how long you've been using it. A better idea would be a suspension for a certain period of time. A good 2 weeks would be an efficient suspension in my eyes.

admins could check and see if a person is using an illegal program just by looking into their logs

[jZampage]

admins could check and see if a person is using an illegal program just by looking into their logs

It's not as easy as that.

[NightThaProphet]

well 2 week ban would prolly want to make them come back and use dcaa to catch back up on exp or something, who knows

[jZampage]

well 2 week ban would prolly want to make them come back and use dcaa to catch back up on exp or something, who knows

Very true, but as a result of being suspended, I'm sure they would be watched closely, and the next offense would be a longer, more drastic punishment.

[belgiumdude]

1. Can you really prove that people use a dcaa?

2. How can you prove it?

3. I'll answer both: You can't prove it that people use a dcaa unless your an admin

[Sensational]

They can't really deduct experience because they don't have proof as to how long you've been using it. A better idea would be a suspension for a certain period of time. A good 2 weeks would be an efficient suspension in my eyes.

im more of a fan of 1 month :) then people catch up on any exp the person has gained on them through the usage of the dcaa. it will also give people the chance to pass the nub dcaaer so hes worse off than what he actually was :)

[Shawty]

how about suspended for one month and all accts cleared of items ;))

[jZampage]

im more of a fan of 1 month :) then people catch up on any exp the person has gained on them through the usage of the dcaa. it will also give people the chance to pass the nub dcaaer so hes worse off than what he actually was :)

Possibly, but 1 month is a harsh punishment for someone when 80% of the outwar community uses it. That would drop Rampid's profits drastically, and I don't see that happening :p

[NightThaProphet]

how about suspended for one month and all accts cleared of items ;))

sounds like a plan. Outwar could also set max growth is DC to 200k, which is not counting quests like stoneraven.

[Sensational]

sounds like a plan. Outwar could also set max growth is DC to 200k, which is not counting quests like stoneraven.

ahhh max DC growth.. i always thought of just max growth altogether.. nice idea! :)


and yeah alot of people use DCAA jZ but it outwar gave out a warning im sure alot of people would stop.. then they could ban the people who still do use dcaa :) then its not harsh ;)

[sonic2006]

I like the idea of taking them down a few levels. Between 3-5 depending on there level sounds good to me. And if you say thats not fair maybe they havent been using it that long just think about this... maybe they shouldnt of been using it at all?

[SnIpEuOuT]

1. Can you really prove that people use a dcaa?

2. How can you prove it?

3. I'll answer both: You can't prove it that people use a dcaa unless your an admin

It is very easy to prove someone is using a dcaa if you have their trustee.

[Sensational]

It is very easy to prove someone is using a dcaa if you have their trustee.

and if you have their trustee then your probably their friend and i dont think you'd grass in your own friends ;)

[kingmultis1_20]

1. Can you really prove that people use a dcaa?

2. How can you prove it?

3. I'll answer both: You can't prove it that people use a dcaa unless your an adminlol your a noob. you cant prove it even if you ARE an admin. whos to say that you don't sit there and dc? i manually dc 20k exp in about an hour. if i REALLY wanted to, i could do 100k in 4 hours no problem. some people just have too much time. admins arent sitting next to you at your computer, proving if its you or not.

[Wizzy]

That's exactly what I was thinking Ducati. ^_^

If there was way for them to point out the cheaters easily, they would've taken action already or at least they should've.

[GuNCh_Bandit]

i haven't really seen any problem with lag anyway. i dont really see why people complain about this. Yes I do agree that people who use dcaas need to be stopped. but find a better reason than people lagging the site... I don't really notice it myself.

[Slim9092]

3-5 levels might be a bit harsh, figure if some1 is at like lvl 70, thats a ridiculous drop. Also i don't think there is a real way to detect DCAA unless you confess, or some photographic proof. Which is pretty hard to get. :(

[Dark_Dragon_311]

actually, there is a way to find out if someone is using a dcaa / some illegal type of program.
admins only need to look through all of the action logs; since they're time stamped, they could differentiate between a person who is legit and fast and if someone is using a program. It would be same procedure as they would do in other games such as: Knight Online, WOW, EuDemon Online, Rappelz, FlyFF, etc.

[Domination]

First offence:5 days
Second offence:1 month
Third offence: permanent closier of rampid gaming account.

there's not need to cheat at this game its already easy enough.

[Wizzy]

actually, there is a way to find out if someone is using a dcaa / some illegal type of program.
admins only need to look through all of the action logs; since they're time stamped, they could differentiate between a person who is legit and fast and if someone is using a program. It would be same procedure as they would do in other games such as: Knight Online, WOW, EuDemon Online, Rappelz, FlyFF, etc.

What EXACTLY is it those action logs say?

[Sparda1234]

Just a list of things you do on your account and at what time so they could see how many mobs you killed in dc and over what period of time.. However still no proof since you could still be doing it manualy lol..

OW will not just suspend people for using a DCAA, when they figure something out all they will do is make a warning news post saying they have a new thing which detects it blah blah blah then people still use it one or two people get suspended for 2 days then 5 days after that a new dcaa comes out which gets around there new system.....

It has been that way since the dawn of outwar, and i dont see it changing anytime soon.

[Mully]

People enjoy cheating: Plain and simple. I have flat out heard people say "If I couldn't cheat, I would have quit years ago." I think the administrators are aware of this and that's why they haven't cracked down on the programs. Attacking in diamond city does not affect anything besides the account in which is using the program, so why stop them?

No one has forced you to use a program. If you feel so inclined to sit in diamond city and attack mobs over and over again, then do it. I think most people hate the repetitiveness of it, so that's why they use a program. Perhaps if it was more interesting, then they wouldn't, but you can't blame the people who want to use programs because of this.

Not to mention, it brings in income to outwar. Obviously using a program requires no effort at all to use rage, so people are always wanting more so they can grow more. How do you obtain more rage? By buying the augs or upgrade from the treasury, buying the items from other players, or getting them from your crew and paying to gem them. It has become a constant to want more rage, so people dish out large sums of money to buy the best items in the game to obtain that.

Let's be real, some people get 4k + rage per turn now. If there were no programs to use the rage, do you think people would still be looking to obtain more items? Of course not, because it would be pointless since you can't possibly use that much rage manually in diamond city. I'm sure someone will reply to this and state they can. Well, maybe you can, but 99% of the people on this game cannot.

This thread should be directed more towards auto attackers and auto joiners rather than diamond city attackers. Those programs actually cause harm to other players and crews.

[Sparda1234]

People enjoy cheating: Plain and simple. I have flat out heard people say "If I couldn't cheat, I would have quit years ago." I think the administrators are aware of this and that's why they haven't cracked down on the programs. Attacking in diamond city does not affect anything besides the account in which is using the program, so why stop them?

No one has forced you to use a program. If you feel so inclined to sit in diamond city and attack mobs over and over again, then do it. I think most people hate the repetitiveness of it, so that's why they use a program. Perhaps if it was more interesting, then they wouldn't, but you can't blame the people who want to use programs because of this.

Not to mention, it brings in income to outwar. Obviously using a program requires no effort at all to use rage, so people are always wanting more so they can grow more. How do you obtain more rage? By buying the augs or upgrade from the treasury, buying the items from other players, or getting them from your crew and paying to gem them. It has become a constant to want more rage, so people dish out large sums of money to buy the best items in the game to obtain that.

Let's be real, some people get 4k + rage per turn now. If there were no programs to use the rage, do you think people would still be looking to obtain more items? Of course not, because it would be pointless since you can't possibly use that much rage manually in diamond city. I'm sure someone will reply to this and state they can. Well, maybe you can, but 99% of the people on this game cannot.

This thread should be directed more towards auto attackers and auto joiners rather than diamond city attackers. Those programs actually cause harm to other players and crews.

Couldnt agree more.

[Hairyrasal]

how about suspended for one month and all accts cleared of items ;))


thats a little hardcore, people spend their real life money to get some of their items o.0

[Dark_Dragon_311]

People enjoy cheating: Plain and simple. I have flat out heard people say "If I couldn't cheat, I would have quit years ago." I think the administrators are aware of this and that's why they haven't cracked down on the programs. Attacking in diamond city does not affect anything besides the account in which is using the program, so why stop them?

No one has forced you to use a program. If you feel so inclined to sit in diamond city and attack mobs over and over again, then do it. I think most people hate the repetitiveness of it, so that's why they use a program. Perhaps if it was more interesting, then they wouldn't, but you can't blame the people who want to use programs because of this.

Not to mention, it brings in income to outwar. Obviously using a program requires no effort at all to use rage, so people are always wanting more so they can grow more. How do you obtain more rage? By buying the augs or upgrade from the treasury, buying the items from other players, or getting them from your crew and paying to gem them. It has become a constant to want more rage, so people dish out large sums of money to buy the best items in the game to obtain that.

Let's be real, some people get 4k + rage per turn now. If there were no programs to use the rage, do you think people would still be looking to obtain more items? Of course not, because it would be pointless since you can't possibly use that much rage manually in diamond city. I'm sure someone will reply to this and state they can. Well, maybe you can, but 99% of the people on this game cannot.

This thread should be directed more towards auto attackers and auto joiners rather than diamond city attackers. Those programs actually cause harm to other players and crews.

this topic was originally about dcaa and other illegal programs

[quezacotl]

People enjoy cheating: Plain and simple. I have flat out heard people say "If I couldn't cheat, I would have quit years ago." I think the administrators are aware of this and that's why they haven't cracked down on the programs. Attacking in diamond city does not affect anything besides the account in which is using the program, so why stop them?

No one has forced you to use a program. If you feel so inclined to sit in diamond city and attack mobs over and over again, then do it. I think most people hate the repetitiveness of it, so that's why they use a program. Perhaps if it was more interesting, then they wouldn't, but you can't blame the people who want to use programs because of this.

Not to mention, it brings in income to outwar. Obviously using a program requires no effort at all to use rage, so people are always wanting more so they can grow more. How do you obtain more rage? By buying the augs or upgrade from the treasury, buying the items from other players, or getting them from your crew and paying to gem them. It has become a constant to want more rage, so people dish out large sums of money to buy the best items in the game to obtain that.

Let's be real, some people get 4k + rage per turn now. If there were no programs to use the rage, do you think people would still be looking to obtain more items? Of course not, because it would be pointless since you can't possibly use that much rage manually in diamond city. I'm sure someone will reply to this and state they can. Well, maybe you can, but 99% of the people on this game cannot.

This thread should be directed more towards auto attackers and auto joiners rather than diamond city attackers. Those programs actually cause harm to other players and crews.

Actually it does effect the legit players. When people DCAA their way to the higher lvls, stats increase bringing more damage in raids and more skills. Then they have a better chance at winning the raids that legit players are also going for.

[ginabean]

There are ways Admin can find out but I don't know them. As for punishments for those who violate the tos, I am all for it.

[skydragon666]

IN EVERY GAME THERE WILL WAYS BE 3 THINGS.

1.Hackers.
2.Cheater.
3.Glitchers/Exploits

And 1 Crew Proved Over Any Other That Hackers Cheaters Glitches/Exploits
Owned This Game Like No 1 In Ow Histroy

Lets Cause A ****!


And The Fact Is There Will Always Be Programs. People Complain About Dcaa's Or Auto Attackers Or Auto Skillers Or Auto Joiners
But Think About All The Stuff No 1 Talks About
God Spotters?
HOW MANY CREWS USE IRC?
How Many Crews Have Scripts For Stl Emp Bl Hitman Blind Strikedown Bfa Fortify Tome?
How Many People Can Dc Well Sleeping?
How Many People Have Glitched?
How Many People Have Used Aj's?
How Many People Used Proxy Clickers?
How Many People Used AA's?
Fact Is Don't Blame The People Who Make Them Blame Yourself For Wanting Them.

[belgiumdude]

as long as there are players using them new ones and better ones will be made

The programs aren't illegal but the people using it are

[Wizzy]

IN EVERY GAME THERE WILL WAYS BE 3 THINGS.

1.Hackers.
2.Cheater.
3.Glitchers/Exploits

And 1 Crew Proved Over Any Other That Hackers Cheaters Glitches/Exploits
Owned This Game Like No 1 In Ow Histroy

Lets Cause A ****!


And The Fact Is There Will Always Be Programs. People Complain About Dcaa's Or Auto Attackers Or Auto Skillers Or Auto Joiners
But Think About All The Stuff No 1 Talks About
God Spotters?
HOW MANY CREWS USE IRC?
How Many Crews Have Scripts For Stl Emp Bl Hitman Blind Strikedown Bfa Fortify Tome?
How Many People Can Dc Well Sleeping?
How Many People Have Glitched?
How Many People Have Used Aj's?
How Many People Used Proxy Clickers?
How Many People Used AA's?
Fact Is Don't Blame The People Who Make Them Blame Yourself For Wanting Them.

Haha. Well said Sky and I'd have to agree with Mully as well, I know possibly a bit of people who would quit if they couldn't cheat. DCAAing has made its way permanently into the game. As for how far the effects of using DCAAs reach, we can debate that topic forever. This guy below really does have a point.

Actually it does effect the legit players. When people DCAA their way to the higher lvls, stats increase bringing more damage in raids and more skills. Then they have a better chance at winning the raids that legit players are also going for.

[Mully]

this topic was originally about dcaa and other illegal programs

Yeah, and...? Is my post not clearly about dcaa and other illegal programs? Did you even read it?

Actually it does effect the legit players. When people DCAA their way to the higher lvls, stats increase bringing more damage in raids and more skills. Then they have a better chance at winning the raids that legit players are also going for.

True, but if one or two people are using a dca to cheat their growth, it would be very far fetched to suggest they would have a massive effect on raids. Now if you're talking about a massive amount of people using a dca to grow, then yes, over time i'm sure you would start to see a change, although it would take a while. But that brings me back to my original point that people enjoy cheating. If you have a few people doing it, then it's easy to say that it should be stopped, but when the majority of the game is cheating, there must be something about it that they like...

[jeffers1986]

I would like the idea except for the fact that mistakes can be made, which is never a good thing. If they were to do something like that then there should be serious constraints, like only the most blatant AJ's and such that could in no way be legit should receive it.

[Sparda1234]

There is still no way to prove that an AJ was used unless of course a raid died in 10 seconds..

[Royalblade]

Everybody stop thinking that there arent auto dcer because a friend of mine and me tested it. I saw a guy with 1 million growth yesterday and we thought he must have been using a auto dcer. and we looked fot one in gogle and actually found it. DONT ASK ME IF IM WILL GIVE IT TO YOU BECAUSE I HATE THOSE PEOPLE WHO USE THEM SO DONT ASK ME!!!!! The programm did like 30,000 exp in 15 hours. i set it up correctly and left it on all night long. Well you people will think it must be faster because it keeps on killing mobs but your wrong. theres something called rage in ow. you can only use the programm for 30 min if you have 5,000 rage and kill mobs which only take 10-40 rage. The programm was set up so when the rage is finished it automatically stopped and waiting to the next hour change whcih means if you have 3 o´clock it will wait 1 hour before it attacks again. another example for noooobs. its 3.45 , the programm will automatically wat 15 minutes from then till the hour change which is at 4 ´o clock ( the next one) Every hour change you get rage :) . So it attacks again for 5 min till theres no rage anymore. Then it waites again. A normal guy wont leave his computer on 24 hours. If he will he will probably get 100,000 exp. With handgrinding which means to kill mobs yourself ( wihtout programms) i can get 50.000 exp in about 2 hours. if i have enough rage. Without enough rage. First i used up all my 5,000 rage and then waited tiöll the next hour change and i got 500 rage. It took me 10 min to finish that rage off. and i got about 4k exp ( 4k= 4,000). so handgrinding is a lot fatser than some stupid programms.

iF YOU AHVE ANY QUESTION YOU CAN ASK ME BUT DONT ASK FOR THE PROGRAMM AND I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TO NOT DOWNLOAD IT BECAUSE THE CHARACTER I USED GOT BANNED/SUSPENDED.

[Sparda1234]

wow @ the post above lol... not really sure what else i can say to it lol.. None has said there isnt a DCAA this thread is about what ow will/can do about people who continue to use them..

http://www.dks-gfx.com/sparda.png

:)

[Domination]

Everybody stop thinking that there arent auto dcer because a friend of mine and me tested it. I saw a guy with 1 million growth yesterday and we thought he must have been using a auto dcer. and we looked fot one in gogle and actually found it. DONT ASK ME IF IM WILL GIVE IT TO YOU BECAUSE I HATE THOSE PEOPLE WHO USE THEM SO DONT ASK ME!!!!! The programm did like 30,000 exp in 15 hours. i set it up correctly and left it on all night long. Well you people will think it must be faster because it keeps on killing mobs but your wrong. theres something called rage in ow. you can only use the programm for 30 min if you have 5,000 rage and kill mobs which only take 10-40 rage. The programm was set up so when the rage is finished it automatically stopped and waiting to the next hour change whcih means if you have 3 o´clock it will wait 1 hour before it attacks again. another example for noooobs. its 3.45 , the programm will automatically wat 15 minutes from then till the hour change which is at 4 ´o clock ( the next one) Every hour change you get rage :) . So it attacks again for 5 min till theres no rage anymore. Then it waites again. A normal guy wont leave his computer on 24 hours. If he will he will probably get 100,000 exp. With handgrinding which means to kill mobs yourself ( wihtout programms) i can get 50.000 exp in about 2 hours. if i have enough rage. Without enough rage. First i used up all my 5,000 rage and then waited tiöll the next hour change and i got 500 rage. It took me 10 min to finish that rage off. and i got about 4k exp ( 4k= 4,000). so handgrinding is a lot fatser than some stupid programms.

iF YOU AHVE ANY QUESTION YOU CAN ASK ME BUT DONT ASK FOR THE PROGRAMM AND I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TO NOT DOWNLOAD IT BECAUSE THE CHARACTER I USED GOT BANNED/SUSPENDED.

lol did he just admit to using a dcaa .......suspendedddddd!

[Sparda1234]

lol did he just admit to using a dcaa .......suspendedddddd!

Yeah he did lol, and testing it...

http://www.dks-gfx.com/sparda.png

:)

[olympus]

lol did he just admit to using a dcaa .......suspendedddddd!

he did get suspended.. 'supposedly' :p

[Wizzy]

Everybody stop thinking that there arent auto dcer because a friend of mine and me tested it. I saw a guy with 1 million growth yesterday and we thought he must have been using a auto dcer. and we looked fot one in gogle and actually found it. DONT ASK ME IF IM WILL GIVE IT TO YOU BECAUSE I HATE THOSE PEOPLE WHO USE THEM SO DONT ASK ME!!!!! The programm did like 30,000 exp in 15 hours. i set it up correctly and left it on all night long. Well you people will think it must be faster because it keeps on killing mobs but your wrong. theres something called rage in ow. you can only use the programm for 30 min if you have 5,000 rage and kill mobs which only take 10-40 rage. The programm was set up so when the rage is finished it automatically stopped and waiting to the next hour change whcih means if you have 3 o´clock it will wait 1 hour before it attacks again. another example for noooobs. its 3.45 , the programm will automatically wat 15 minutes from then till the hour change which is at 4 ´o clock ( the next one) Every hour change you get rage :) . So it attacks again for 5 min till theres no rage anymore. Then it waites again. A normal guy wont leave his computer on 24 hours. If he will he will probably get 100,000 exp. With handgrinding which means to kill mobs yourself ( wihtout programms) i can get 50.000 exp in about 2 hours. if i have enough rage. Without enough rage. First i used up all my 5,000 rage and then waited tiöll the next hour change and i got 500 rage. It took me 10 min to finish that rage off. and i got about 4k exp ( 4k= 4,000). so handgrinding is a lot fatser than some stupid programms.

iF YOU AHVE ANY QUESTION YOU CAN ASK ME BUT DONT ASK FOR THE PROGRAMM AND I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TO NOT DOWNLOAD IT BECAUSE THE CHARACTER I USED GOT BANNED/SUSPENDED.

Wow. Just...wow. LOL

I'm so confused as to what to say....

And I second what Sparda said, I don't believe anyone said that there aren't any DCAAs.

[Mully]

Everybody stop thinking that there arent auto dcer because a friend of mine and me tested it. I saw a guy with 1 million growth yesterday and we thought he must have been using a auto dcer. and we looked fot one in gogle and actually found it. DONT ASK ME IF IM WILL GIVE IT TO YOU BECAUSE I HATE THOSE PEOPLE WHO USE THEM SO DONT ASK ME!!!!! The programm did like 30,000 exp in 15 hours. i set it up correctly and left it on all night long. Well you people will think it must be faster because it keeps on killing mobs but your wrong. theres something called rage in ow. you can only use the programm for 30 min if you have 5,000 rage and kill mobs which only take 10-40 rage. The programm was set up so when the rage is finished it automatically stopped and waiting to the next hour change whcih means if you have 3 o´clock it will wait 1 hour before it attacks again. another example for noooobs. its 3.45 , the programm will automatically wat 15 minutes from then till the hour change which is at 4 ´o clock ( the next one) Every hour change you get rage :) . So it attacks again for 5 min till theres no rage anymore. Then it waites again. A normal guy wont leave his computer on 24 hours. If he will he will probably get 100,000 exp. With handgrinding which means to kill mobs yourself ( wihtout programms) i can get 50.000 exp in about 2 hours. if i have enough rage. Without enough rage. First i used up all my 5,000 rage and then waited tiöll the next hour change and i got 500 rage. It took me 10 min to finish that rage off. and i got about 4k exp ( 4k= 4,000). so handgrinding is a lot fatser than some stupid programms.

iF YOU AHVE ANY QUESTION YOU CAN ASK ME BUT DONT ASK FOR THE PROGRAMM AND I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TO NOT DOWNLOAD IT BECAUSE THE CHARACTER I USED GOT BANNED/SUSPENDED.

Wow, that sounds amazing! Could you possibly link me to a screen shot at least? I cannot just take your word for it. A program like that sounds way too good to be true. I think you're lying to use all!

[skydragon666]

Wow, that sounds amazing! Could of possibly link me to a screen shot at least? I cannot just take your word for it. A program like that sounds way too good to be true. I think you're lying to use all!

Agreed I Think it's Just Lies Nothin that good can be made

[Mully]

Agreed I Think it's Just Lies Nothin that good can be made

I know what you mean. I want to see this thing in action, too. Anyone can make a fake picture to look like a program. I want to see your account attacking these mobs. I think it's the only way you're going to convince people that they exist...

[Zarquon]

I agree with mully and sky. This is too good to be true.

Due to the glaring lack of a screenshot, I think it is obvious that Royalblade made all that up. He should find something better to do with his time because that's just sorta lame :/

p.s. Domination and sparda chill out, he's only "testing" it. And we all know that means nothing unless he proves it actually exists, which I really doubt.

[sirjohn159]

I think that the punishment for all programs should be first month suspension for dcaa, auto hitters, auto joiners mainly because people know they're cheating and they want to do it anyways. I mean why should ow go lightly with these punishments, for many games if you cheat, your account gets deleted. And for second offenses, just take people down a few levels and suspend them for three months for dcaas. Suspend them for about three months and make it so they can't join/form raids for a month or two after their suspension. Then for auto hitters, take away their ability to attack people for a few months after their suspension.

[Dark_Dragon_311]

I think that the punishment for all programs should be first month suspension for dcaa, auto hitters, auto joiners mainly because people know they're cheating and they want to do it anyways. I mean why should ow go lightly with these punishments, for many games if you cheat, your account gets deleted. And for second offenses, just take people down a few levels and suspend them for three months for dcaas. Suspend them for about three months and make it so they can't join/form raids for a month or two after their suspension. Then for auto hitters, take away their ability to attack people for a few months after their suspension.

thats why i suggested deleveling them down to level 1 as first offense, then suspension as second offense; because i believe that if it was a high-level that were to be deleveled, they'd think twice about doing it again, assuming they learn from the delevel.

[jeffers1986]

And what if it turns out they werent using a program? Then outwar will have to give their former exp back plus extra for wrongfully deleveling them.

[aaaaaaaaa]

I think people who get caught using any type of illegal program should be de-leveled down to level 1 for 1st offence and completely suspended on 2nd offence. It's really rediculous having to deal w/ horrible lag cuz someone too damn lazy to dc themselves or too lazy to type a couple of words for a raid. i know a lot of high levels would disagree; however, something really does need to be done w/ people using programs.

Well we better down you to lvl 1 first :)

[papercut36]

A suspension and a minor experience lose, or something like a negative experience boost for x number of days.

[Dark_Dragon_311]

Well we better down you to lvl 1 first :)



hahaha, very funny. i do not use any type of programs. if i were to use any type of program, i'd be close to 60+

[chgangstapur1]

I think people who get caught using any type of illegal program should be de-leveled down to level 1 for 1st offence and completely suspended on 2nd offence. It's really rediculous having to deal w/ horrible lag cuz someone too damn lazy to dc themselves or too lazy to type a couple of words for a raid. i know a lot of high levels would disagree; however, something really does need to be done w/ people using programs.




it would take thousands of hundreds of dcaa's to lag ow like it does

but i agree, dcaa, ajers, auto skillers, people who use them should be penalized.

[dtpy]

And we all know that means nothing unless he proves it actually exists, which I really doubt.

OMFG =)) i'm laughing my ass off ..

this thead is so hot :D
I second (or third?) to mully's and sky's post ... nuthing more is to be said.

just that ...don't try to stop all these threads and discussions about programs ... they just cause drama, and ppl on ow like it, cuz everything else on ow bores them.

as u can see the aj/dcaa threads on forum are the most discussed ... anyway yea ... that guy who "tested" a dcaa... his stupidity made my day =))

DarkTerror[FW]

edit: Oh, one more thing .. stop with the "admins can detect programs" bullshit .. they can't .. they can only detect it if the programmer is so stupid to not make it look like a regular browser.

[captain]

There is a very simple solution. Admins develop something that records the times between each action, which im sure they already have a program similar to that, then just have something that flags times that are are the same. Like if every attack they do is like .5 seconds apart or something it gets flagged for further investigation for admins.


Punishments should be suspension PLUS xp deduction. No set number but like a 15% xp loss or something. The 2nd one perhaps 30% deduction and double the suspension. And we play the 3 strikes and your out way, where if theres a 3rd time, the account perm banned, and of course this would be non-refundable.


=]

[captain]

Lol nice "testing" dude. Aww whats that? Your suspended now? Awww doesnt that suck.

[simonrobinson]

I think people who get caught using any type of illegal program should be de-leveled down to level 1 for 1st offence and completely suspended on 2nd offence. It's really rediculous having to deal w/ horrible lag cuz someone too damn lazy to dc themselves or too lazy to type a couple of words for a raid. i know a lot of high levels would disagree; however, something really does need to be done w/ people using programs.

first of all that would mean 95% of outwar would be level 1 no wait u said all programs not just a dcaa oh thats 99.9% of outwar at level 1

[captain]

first of all that would mean 95% of outwar would be level 1 no wait u said all programs not just a dcaa oh thats 99.9% of outwar at level 1

So by saying this, i can infer that you are admitting to using a program? Because i dont use any, dont even know where to look for any, so that makes me the .1%. Hai Mr.Dcaa User xD

[simonrobinson]

So by saying this, i can infer that you are admitting to using a program? Because i dont use any, dont even know where to look for any, so that makes me the .1%. Hai Mr.Dcaa User xD

you actually add up to 0.5% im the other 0.5%

[captain]

Touche salesman.



Woot woot quoted Family Guy.

Btw robinson, i sent you a pm.

[Rampid_Justin]

you actually add up to 0.5% im the other 0.5%

You mean 0.05%? ;)

[simonrobinson]

You mean 0.05%? ;)

your just jealous of my leet unprogramed growth per day

[dtpy]

/me slaps hec. :|

[medman]

in all honesty, i would prefer nothing happen to people using programs. I did a long time ago when PG first gave out his DCAA and AJ to his crew. Anyhow, months later not even using a program, my favorite account was suspended. Not a temporary ban, permanently gotten rid of because they "thought" i was using a DCAA. I can say to this very day I was not using a DCAA at the time. SO i would prefer no one get in trouble than the chance of someoen losing their hard earned work and money.

Are there adverse effects on other players because of people using DCAA? yes. Not just the over time (the time has come BTW) of so many people using them that everyone is a lot stronger, but do you have any idea how hard it is for me to even be able to talk to a spawned mob before some random DCAAer comes in the room and kills the mob so i have to try again? Or with the skillers and AJs going so fast I don't have a chance to try to take out even the easiest of gods?

But at the same time, I like how cheap stuff is now. I remember paying over 250 points for a +2 boost orb back in the day, now i can get them for 10-20 points each. Tomes? over 2k points in the past, picked up 4 of them recently for 150 each. All god drops prices have been lowered (partly because there is better but also partly because there are so many more of them out there)

There's good and bad in it. People that say it gives an unfair advantage to the player because they level without having to play, do you also have a problem with PP and EPT? I get 42k a day without having to log in at level 30........

[Dark_Dragon_311]

in all honesty, i would prefer nothing happen to people using programs. I did a long time ago when PG first gave out his DCAA and AJ to his crew. Anyhow, months later not even using a program, my favorite account was suspended. Not a temporary ban, permanently gotten rid of because they "thought" i was using a DCAA. I can say to this very day I was not using a DCAA at the time. SO i would prefer no one get in trouble than the chance of someoen losing their hard earned work and money.

Are there adverse effects on other players because of people using DCAA? yes. Not just the over time (the time has come BTW) of so many people using them that everyone is a lot stronger, but do you have any idea how hard it is for me to even be able to talk to a spawned mob before some random DCAAer comes in the room and kills the mob so i have to try again? Or with the skillers and AJs going so fast I don't have a chance to try to take out even the easiest of gods?

But at the same time, I like how cheap stuff is now. I remember paying over 250 points for a +2 boost orb back in the day, now i can get them for 10-20 points each. Tomes? over 2k points in the past, picked up 4 of them recently for 150 each. All god drops prices have been lowered (partly because there is better but also partly because there are so many more of them out there)

There's good and bad in it. People that say it gives an unfair advantage to the player because they level without having to play, do you also have a problem with PP and EPT? I get 42k a day without having to log in at level 30........

i disagree, something does need to be done, i mean if its just gonna be allowed, then whats the point of making an acct if ur not even actually gonna play it and just use programs instead?
it makes it hard for legit players to catch up as it is, and to see people jump from lvl 1 to lvl 45 in under 24 hrs. its just rediculous.

[qITIp]

i disagree, something does need to be done, i mean if its just gonna be allowed, then whats the point of making an acct if ur not even actually gonna play it and just use programs instead?
it makes it hard for legit players to catch up as it is, and to see people jump from lvl 1 to lvl 45 in under 24 hrs. its just rediculous.
Level Experience
1 0
45 5,900,000


24 hours = 1 day = 86,400 seconds

5,900,000/86,400 = ~68 exp a second

Please share the method behind that.

[Dark_Dragon_311]

Level Experience
1 0
45 5,900,000


24 hours = 1 day = 86,400 seconds

5,900,000/86,400 = ~68 exp a second

Please share the method behind that.

now try doing it by hand w/ out dcaa. then give me this formula doing manual. and u will see y i said what i said.

[qITIp]

I am saying its not possible with DC and mobs working properly. If you saw some random person grow that much odds are it was not through dc. (roll back related,suspended account returning, or other things)

[Wizzy]

Level Experience
1 0
45 5,900,000


24 hours = 1 day = 86,400 seconds

5,900,000/86,400 = ~68 exp a second

Please share the method behind that.

Who did that in one day?

[qITIp2]

Read my reply he quoted that from.

Darkdragon311 had said this
"it makes it hard for legit players to catch up as it is, and to see people jump from lvl 1 to lvl 45 in under 24 hrs. its just rediculous."
Which is why I showed the math of what he claims to have seen.

[yellwhed]

this is only a game...and let us play it to the fullest. :)

[dtpy]

Who did that in one day?

Pimpster =)) He used DBaa :o =))
Think it was lvl 1 to 59 in one day ....then he went back 2 lvls (we liked him at 57 better :D)

[medman]

Who did that in one day?


http://sigil.outwar.com/characters/2499005 looks pretty sexy for one day old account

pretty sure that wasn't dcaa though

[HecInDisguise]

http://sigil.outwar.com/characters/2499005 looks pretty sexy for one day old account

pretty sure that wasn't dcaa though
that's a very old account .. surely not 1 day old ... must of had some kind of problem that admins solved .. i dunno

[Rampid_Justin]

I went 1-60 in 25 seconds.. I hope you guys aren't mad.. ;)

[HecInDisguise]

I went 1-60 in 25 seconds.. I hope you guys aren't mad.. ;)

wtf !!! DCAAer !!!! or .. better ... omg.. there's a db leak... justin has db access :eek: ...
oh .. wait .. he's supposed to :-j

[Domination]

I went 1-60 in 25 seconds.. I hope you guys aren't mad.. ;)


Cheater!! haxorz!! Bann!

[Dark_Dragon_311]

I went 1-60 in 25 seconds.. I hope you guys aren't mad.. ;)



lol justin. ur an admin. we all know if u wanted, u could put ur self at 70 if u felt like it.

[Wizzy]

I went from 0-60 in 3.5

[capkloud]

id dosent matter, argue about people using dca's if you want, the admins will never do anything.

ive reported several people for using a dca non stop for several weeks, showed screen shots of them admitting to it, ive even reported people using programs to win on the "weekly recruitment" contest several weeks in a row, and nothing was done about it, its obvious they didnt look into it because they would have seen a pattern in the "joiners" account info.

[Itai]

look, im sorry to bring up an old thread here, but this is really starting to get on my nerves.

I have played this game now for 5 years, and i have never used any automatic program - or the new way of cheating - macros. I used to be a respected player, but ever since outwar made these macros legal, all the noobs that started playing outwar last year have passed me in growth.

Now, i feel its a little unfair that people can exploit outwar in this matter, and get away with it. I feel admins need to do something about it! Not just talk it away.

I say, bring back the security word for attacking mobs in DC... you know, like "click the word that appears twice"-kinda security. Cuz this is getting out of hand!

[medman]

dude, that was without a doubt so f'n annoying i don't even know where to begin. i don't like seeing people get to level 40 in a little over a week, but at the same time, i want to be able to DC without a million clicks.

[crypticlifestyle]

Listen, this has been said over, and over, and over again so many times over the years...Obviously it isnt going to change so my suggestion to you is to dcaa as well, and get over it...Its just one of those things that cant be stopped...

[PurePwnageTupac]

even if they added multiple sec words to attacks, people would get around it, hell MB got around autojoining, I'm sure they'll come up with something

[Wizzy]

look, im sorry to bring up an old thread here, but this is really starting to get on my nerves.

I have played this game now for 5 years, and i have never used any automatic program - or the new way of cheating - macros. I used to be a respected player, but ever since outwar made these macros legal, all the noobs that started playing outwar last year have passed me in growth.

Now, i feel its a little unfair that people can exploit outwar in this matter, and get away with it. I feel admins need to do something about it! Not just talk it away.

I say, bring back the security word for attacking mobs in DC... you know, like "click the word that appears twice"-kinda security. Cuz this is getting out of hand!

There is an ocr already made for that. You wouldn't be stopping cheaters, you'd just be lagging the site.

[Itai]

I feel admins need to do something about it! Not just talk it away.

2/4/08 - Automated Programs: Just a reminder that the use of "auto" software programs or any other "cheat utility", is strictly prohibited on Outwar.com.
Any player caught using programs or bugs to gain an unfair advantage in the game, will face suspension, removal of obtained items, and/or account termination. Let's keep the game fair for everyone. Thanks. MagicNiCK


...


genious :P

[Sensational]

does that include any firefox extensions that help you to raid? :)

[Itai]

help you to raid

any other "cheat utility"... i think that qualifies, yes.

[Sensational]

any other "cheat utility"... i think that qualifies, yes.

read this youknowho who said admins said it wasnt illegal ;)

[Dark_Dragon_311]

its about time they start cracking down on cheaters.

[Wizzy]

Suspend me! Oh wait. I already am! wth! Jumped the gun there!

That announcement was really just stating common sense. But then again, alot of people lack it or suck at not getting caught :p

[Dark_Dragon_311]

Suspend me! Oh wait. I already am! wth! Jumped the gun there!

That announcement was really just stating common sense. But then again, alot of people lack it or suck at not getting caught :p



weren't u already suspended b4 the message came out?
NOTE: not flaming u, just asking question

[Wizzy]

Hence I said, "I already am". I'm waiting till tomorrow for Justin to show me the reasoning behind our suspension.

[medman]

Hence I said, "I already am". I'm waiting till tomorrow for Justin to show me the reasoning behind our suspension.

the reasoning, huh? You don't think it may have somethign to do with the fact that the auto skillers topics on the forums were brought up, snake dared justin to check the logs then in one of the 1000s of threads about TFO auto skillers justin replied it was taken care of after he suspended you guys?

just wondering?

[Wizzy]

There could've been many ways Justin could've gone about it. I know from past experience to find out because we were suspended once before without proof. They said they had, but refused to show it. That was completely unethical. I don't intend on having that happen again.

[medman]

makes sense and i'll give you that one, i thought you were saying you wanted to find out why you were suspended as if you were pretending you had no clue and were blind sided by this suspension. so i apologize for my previous post as i misunderstood you

[dtpy]

Hence I said, "I already am". I'm waiting till tomorrow for Justin to show me the reasoning behind our suspension.
OW's new policy about unsuspensions, is that they have to delete your zhul items after they unsuspend you :|

[Sensational]

OW's new policy about unsuspensions, is that they have to delete your zhul items after they unsuspend you :|

LOL that'd suck for some people.. not for me coz i dont have any.. unless anyone wants to donate to me when im unsuspended?

[SpitefulHeathen]

sorry guys first post on the forums and i'm just catching up on some stuff. Can i ask why Wizzy wuz suspended or whatever, like what was the accusation (not saying you did it). And that guy that said that he tested the program...and said manual is faster...what a freaking idiot...my friend who plays Zimbob (i play Torax) uses a DCAA program and he rolls with it...goes to work and sets it to start every hour or so and when he comes home he has like 150k xp...i'm kinda at a disadvantage but my char is like 5,6,7 years old cant' remember when i started. and hes already about to pass me lol. so obviously i dont use one. but newho...oh and dont ever bring back those words you gotta click the multiples...that was the gayest thing ever...

[Rampid_Justin]

OW's new policy about unsuspensions, is that they have to delete your zhul items after they unsuspend you :|

I'll give you the same explanation I gave Senor Tardo: You've got cocaine in your car. Your car gets towed. You get to the police impound and they allow you to negotiate ($ for car) and get your vehicle back. Here's where we differ in opinions. I, along with many others, say "Thanks for the car back!", where you and your buddy say "WTF WHERE IS MY COCAINE RAWR!!!".

[Sparda1234]

lol that is quite funny however you shouldnt delete zhul items if they were legit ;)

[Rampid_Justin]

lol that is quite funny however you shouldnt delete zhul items if they were legit ;)

That's the point; they weren't.

[Dark_Dragon_311]

lol, nice analogy Justin. but i like the price for getting unsuspended; but, what if that person does not have Zhul Items?

[Wizzy]

That's the point; they weren't.

SharkAt's zhul pieces from way back when weren't legit? The point glitch was that long? :eek:

[GAGE]

i always thought sharks main zhul items were legit as he got them from fw only oen that werent legit was his multi, bit harsh taking 2250 dollars off some1's account

[Wizzy]

Yeah but then again, you don't get out of jail without paying bail or a "price" per say.

You may have dealt with "cocaine" but you're probably be forced into some "program" after you get out.

[Itai]

dont ever bring back those words you gotta click the multiples...that was the gayest thing ever...

well, that is the only way to stop people from using illegal programs and macros to help them cheat on getting experience in this game. when they had the security word, the game was fair.

[Wizzy]

The images where you had to click the double word - already had an OCR made for that so it's useless.

You'd have to use the same "typing the words you see" images.

[Pnb]

I dont know about the augs in the items, but i know he had 2-3 zhul items before he started making mistakes. (talking about sharkat).

[dtpy]

That's the point; they weren't.

Justin, fyi, I never requested that you should be forced by that certain person to give my zhul items back. I just got on that morning and he told me he did it again, so that you can give the items back. It was not my request to do so.

And I didn't really want em back. BUT: You should have never deleted SharkAt's zhul items. Those we're legit.

So you should've at least left Sharky's intact and we wouldn't have nothing against you.

Edit: Buy anyway .. I gotta say, you're cocaine example made me laugh :D

[dtpy]

SharkAt's zhul pieces from way back when weren't legit? The point glitch was that long? :eek:

No Wizzy. Everything Sharky had was legit. Even if Justin says they were insterted during db access. They were not. Nothing was inserted Justin.

And he never really did anything with the half a million points he glitched. Lol :P He got suspended like after 30 minutes.

Edit: Also.. Justin, if u read this, do you mind reading the thread called "How to make OW less boring" in Brainstorm section, and implement it ? :) ty

[lasala91]

I say ban ip address of DCAA users ^_^

[weasle252]

in stead ov suspension make it so they are on bounty page or summat so every1 can hit thm for 2+weeks to make thm lose exp and make it so they carnt equip items and lower ther stats so lvl10- can hit too jus a idea i dnno if its already been said

[KPax]

in stead ov suspension make it so they are on bounty page or summat so every1 can hit thm for 2+weeks to make thm lose exp and make it so they carnt equip items and lower ther stats so lvl10- can hit too jus a idea i dnno if its already been said

In my opinion, that would become a backfire really fast. Mainly because of two reasons.
1. They wait it out, use the program, and then rape when they are stronger.
2. They get their higher friends to rape you.

Essentially, number two is implemented by anyone in the higher crews that are on bounty lists, on Rancid at least. So you can see, not only would that hurt people who would hit them, it would instate some fear leaving the punishment little to none.

[Boots]

I think the pentalitys should reflects the users past suspensions. If he/she has never been suspended, maybe just give them a warning... Like 3 day suspension. Next time make it 2 weeks. Next time 3 weeks 15% exp loss.

To take 15% of anyones exp that has never been suspended before doesn't seem right to me. Especially when we were and are sarting to get out of the era of programs. Half the people that used dcaa only did it so they'd not get passed in ranking pages by everyone.

[allenemiller1]

i think people using programs like DCAA should be punished with a permanent suspension. about 1 year or so ago i was permanently suspended for having a link to another game in my profile. i dont see how this is worse than doing something like DCAA.

[Egnar]

i think people using programs like DCAA should be punished with a permanent suspension. about 1 year or so ago i was permanently suspended for having a link to another game in my profile. i dont see how this is worse than doing something like DCAA.
In the past if you were suspended it was most likely permanent. I agree we need to be firm with dcaa users but I think Rampid is taking the right course of action by moving away from old practices.

[champ]

Good that you popped this thread back up.

So what was the punishment? Not appear in rankings? Really, that makes me so scared I'm afraid of every word that starts with a T. Come on now.

What happened to the exp-deductions, the mass suspensions?

[GAGE]

If u start suspending people for dcaa where is that gonna leave your game?

u wont make money off the rage augs in treasury, u wont make money off rage potions, so suspending people for dcaa with only hurt rampid itself

[DuduZillaMic]

If u start suspending people for dcaa where is that gonna leave your game?

u wont make money off the rage augs in treasury, u wont make money off rage potions, so suspending people for dcaa with only hurt rampid itself

Not to mention that i think over 60% of the active players use a dcaa or mover, suspending everyone would make OW empty.

But i like the idea to remove part of the exp of the dcaa user.

[GAGE]

rather than trying to stop it if they are that worried about people growing to much, just set growth caps, when dci first came out u could only grow 500xp a day lol

[midgetrussian]

There is a very simple solution. Admins develop something that records the times between each action, which im sure they already have a program similar to that, then just have something that flags times that are are the same. Like if every attack they do is like .5 seconds apart or something it gets flagged for further investigation for admins.



=]

lol..."simple solution" Want a simple solution to your little intuition here? Its not hard to add random delays to a program

[CaptainCon]

i dont know if this was mentioned because this thread is too long to waste my time reading....

if outwar banned or even suspended many of the people who dcaa - they are also banning and suspending most of their potential revenue...

[GAGE]

i dont know if this was mentioned because this thread is too long to waste my time reading....

if outwar banned or even suspended many of the people who dcaa - they are also banning and suspending most of their potential revenue...

aint that the truth lol and if they started suspending people this game wouldn’t last to long as there income would probley be reduced by like well over 70%, they should just cap growth to say 150 - 200k on the bar and they should also add more lvls as there are 100 lvls why not add them all gives people who are lvl 70 something to aim for again

[champ]

i dont know if this was mentioned because this thread is too long to waste my time reading....

if outwar banned or even suspended many of the people who dcaa - they are also banning and suspending most of their potential revenue...

Could be, but everyone who has read this thread just started dcaa'ing because you can get away with it.

Pressing a start button and improove, because it's all about level power nowadays, that's what the inactives do. That leaves the actives with questions.

[GoblenJ]

even if they added multiple sec words to attacks, people would get around it, hell MB got around autojoining, I'm sure they'll come up with something
Are you that retarded?