ajs here or not

[simonrobinson]

3-4 weeks ago crews were beating sigil n quiver in 3-4 minutes sometimes longer.
now most crews are beating them in a minute tops.
guess it wasnt gonna take long before a way was found to pass the sec words on raids.
admins should just remove the sec words n let all aj atleast its fair.

[trojanhorse]

i think what ur saying is a very bad idea
it's like saying theives can break and open the doors to ur house then y not take the whole house door away
it's just a bad idea

[simonrobinson]

i think what ur saying is a very bad idea
it's like saying theives can break and open the doors to ur house then y not take the whole house door away
it's just a bad idea

so you think its ok for others to have an advantage over others just because they have a program

[Sparda1234]

We all knew it wouldnt take long before someone made an AJ and then had the advantage over everyone else again. There is always a way around it.

The "uncrackable" security words are hardly uncrackable lol, you dont even have to type the same words aslong as they are kind of the same and have the same amount of letters 90% of the time it will work. So the aj doesnt even have to read the image 100%

[trojanhorse]

so you think its ok for others to have an advantage over others just because they have a program

no but i think the logical solution is get another security method
change it occasioally so crews don't have time to crack it
not remove it
coz it has still increased time needed
no more sigil in 18 seconds :P
so some crews have a fightig chance without the aj
there was this suggestion to remove security on lower sets i think that would be a good idea
but on all raids i don't think so

[simonrobinson]

no but i think the logical solution is get another security method
change it occasioally so crews don't have time to crack it
not remove it
coz it has still increased time needed
no more sigil in 18 seconds :P
so some crews have a fightig chance without the aj
there was this suggestion to remove security on lower sets i think that would be a good idea
but on all raids i don't think so

i will gladly take a new system to stop ajs over one that allows them but it takes time to code and change all these securities all the time and outwar as we know aint swift on doing this.
all im saying is until they can get a new system running level the playing field.

me i would prefer to see a key that lets u in daimond city like the foundry key that lasts 1 or 2 hrs once key runs out u get kicked out of dc that way it will stop all this camping and dcaas ect. and encourage players to be more active. so that when a raid spawns u have to get keys for all the accounts you are using and take them to the designated areas.

[AlmightyEvil]

It's funny because i know a crew that got suspended for a 35 second sigil when sec words wasnt around, but theres crews doing 40 second quivers with sec words and not being suspended, so it makes you wonder, are ow even checking for arjs? or did they just implement a new system and hope for the best.

[simonrobinson]

It's funny because i know a crew that got suspended for a 35 second sigil when sec words wasnt around, but theres crews doing 40 second quivers with sec words and not being suspended, so it makes you wonder, are ow even checking for arjs? or did they just implement a new system and hope for the best.

hope for the best bro

[Shawty]

me i would prefer to see a key that lets u in daimond city like the foundry key that lasts 1 or 2 hrs once key runs out u get kicked out of dc that way it will stop all this camping and dcaas ect. and encourage players to be more active. so that when a raid spawns u have to get keys for all the accounts you are using and take them to the designated areas.

Good idea - but this will only lead to more people sharing logins etc etc, this would lead to a lot more trouble - but i like the idea in principle hec

[Megadeth]

3-4 weeks ago crews were beating sigil n quiver in 3-4 minutes sometimes longer.
now most crews are beating them in a minute tops.
guess it wasnt gonna take long before a way was found to pass the sec words on raids.
admins should just remove the sec words n let all aj atleast its fair.


Because people have had the practice with the new system, people can do it faster.

[AlmightyEvil]

Ive said it before so ill say it again, Add a page to raid results page where it shows what IP joined What account obviously dont reveal the complete IP just like 1*2.7*2.*2.4*6 would clearly show if its an arj or not, or you could use a page that shows what RGA joined what.

[simonrobinson]

Good idea - but this will only lead to more people sharing logins etc etc, this would lead to a lot more trouble - but i like the idea in principle hec

well ow should just concentrate on more security put all there eggs in that basket and once they feel accounts are secure enough then do what i posted. some folk will give logins others wont but atleast it brings some sort of activity back to the game and stops all these programs.
without trustee access there skiller progs would have to log in each account 1 at a time and skill bfa fort ect {it can still be coded to do that but much slower than 20 folk online in a crew doing it] remove emp stealth so its only castable on your own account this making folk think twice about skills to choose and giving players the desired skill for the class like it should of been eg monsters get lust gangsters get enfeble n give the pops stealth, all get empower.
ajs would need all logins added to um to even work which is a lot of coding.
hell ive just solved all ows problems in 1 post

[Wizzy]

3-4 weeks ago crews were beating sigil n quiver in 3-4 minutes sometimes longer.
now most crews are beating them in a minute tops.
guess it wasnt gonna take long before a way was found to pass the sec words on raids.
admins should just remove the sec words n let all aj atleast its fair.

One minute tops is a bit of an exaggeration. I don't recall any crew beating any raid in under one minute. Maybe my memory is fuzzy, do you have a screenshot?

[simonrobinson]

One minute tops is a bit of an exaggeration. I don't recall any crew beating any raid in under one minute. Maybe my memory is fuzzy, do you have a screenshot?

i said in a minute i saw tfo take quiver in 1 minute 3 seconds u also took synge in just over a minute not pointing fingers at u i saw diablos n brood take sigil n quivers zert terr fast too

hell u guys musta stayed up all night camping synge and waiting for it to spawn to take it in that speed guess u need those wrath of the gods :)

[simonrobinson]

im not saying taking synge cant be done in 1 minute its possible im sure but my post stated crews that were taking them in 3-4 minutes are now taking them in 1 minute just seems strange to me. either 20 players that quit suddenly returned to play or ?

[Wizzy]

We are all active crews with a reasonable amount of members who have been doing these raids for months and since the security images came back, it's only natural that when it first did, we sucked at it and as time progresses we get better and thus the time in which the gods are beat reduces.

I'm not saying that you're accusing anyone in PARTICULAR of an Auto Raid Joiner but you are saying that they're there and being used. I'd be happy to see some proof ^_^.

[simonrobinson]

We are all active crews with a reasonable amount of members who have been doing these raids for months and since the security images came back, it's only natural that when it first did, we sucked at it and as time progresses we get better and thus the time in which the gods are beat reduces.

I'm not saying that you're accusing anyone in PARTICULAR of an Auto Raid Joiner but you are saying that they're there and being used. I'd be happy to see some proof ^_^.


i never said they were being used my post stated are they? with a question mark i understand folk will get used to the system and that will cut the time ratio down some. but by 3 minutes i dont think so anyway its my opinion that ajs are back if i remember right i saw members posting on sb a week ago that certain crews are using aj just cause quiver n sigil were beat in 1 min 50 seconds then all of a sudden bam its down to a minute less on some servers.
seems strange to me is all

[Wizzy]

3-4 weeks ago crews were beating sigil n quiver in 3-4 minutes sometimes longer.
now most crews are beating them in a minute tops.
guess it wasnt gonna take long before a way was found to pass the sec words on raids.
admins should just remove the sec words n let all aj atleast its fair.

Kinda hard not to assume the implication that people use Auto Joiners. ANYWAYS

It hasn't on gone under 1 minute our server. At least not yet. And I doubt they will remove security images and LET people Auto Join. It'd be a "who can program better" kinda raiding thing. Whereas now on OUR server, there is no hard EVIDENCE of Auto Joining.

[simonrobinson]

Kinda hard not to assume the implication that people use Auto Joiners. ANYWAYS

It hasn't on gone under 1 minute our server. At least not yet. And I doubt they will remove security images and LET people Auto Join. It'd be a "who can program better" kinda raiding thing. Whereas now on OUR server, there is no hard EVIDENCE of Auto Joining.

i dunno lol people keep saying well when it first came out we needed to get used to the sec word system well when it came out all u had to do was enter in a sec word 3 weeks lata all u seem to have to do is enter in a sec word.
so how do u get used to doing exactly the same thing.
theres rarely evidence of auto joiners but common sense tends to say that they are here and being used. sigil yes not under 1 minute but some servers are down to 40 seconds.
anyone outthere thinks thats just leet raiding then a lot of folk do need there heads looked at!!!

[superdudes]

Ive said it before so ill say it again, Add a page to raid results page where it shows what IP joined What account obviously dont reveal the complete IP just like 1*2.7*2.*2.4*6 would clearly show if its an arj or not, or you could use a page that shows what RGA joined what.

The do have this. Granted only admins can see it. But they do look at it and use it. I know from first hand experience :\

[simonrobinson]

my big concern with ow is punishment, when these people have been caught in the past they get a weeks suspention or a slap on the wrist. its not good enough there should be like a minimum 3 month suspension for all accounts involved

[walkerboh]

Don't point fingers and say that we are using an AJ just cause you couldn't beat us on a raid, go cry about it somewhere else. We just happened to get our raids organized better than we had them previously and have been doing what we can to make sure we have raiders on and waiting to get the job done, simple as that.

[Wizzy]

Agreed. I don't like the whole pointing fingers thing unless of course you have really good proof. ^_^

But then again I remember when we were suspended based on an ACCUSATION and we asked for the proof and we were denied it. That was kinda messed up.

[champ]

happened to us aswell, even though it was another crew who was doing 10 second raids for 2 months, we got a suspention for our first one. fun stuff, true story.

[ginabean]

I do like that keys idea, but it would take a lot of work and r eally finding a way to implement it properly. As for raid times, I can not discuss that issue but do know people are always watching.

[Sensational]

my big concern with ow is punishment, when these people have been caught in the past they get a weeks suspention or a slap on the wrist. its not good enough there should be like a minimum 3 month suspension for all accounts involved

3 months a bit harsh on people who dont know if AJs are being used in their crew?
Get the IP of the person who joined them all (if it is an AJ) and then ban that person

[jZampage]

Agreed. I don't like the whole pointing fingers thing unless of course you have really good proof. ^_^

But then again I remember when we were suspended based on an ACCUSATION and we asked for the proof and we were denied it. That was kinda messed up.


Even though my post got deleted, my proof lies in the facts. This unnamed crew that I will keep anonymous, even though we all know who it is, has been trying for a blade for years... finally they get one from a 1 minute raid, even with security words in place. Hehe. Hehehe. HAH!

[OMFGsPaZz]

i use to think that all raids under like 3 min were arj untill i started raiding, and realized that its not that hard to get a time under 2 min.
hell with 2 raiders on you can easily take sigil in about 2 min.
so think about what it would be like with 4 raiders on.
i say keep it the way it is. adds more of a coompetitive edge to raiding.
everyone who disagrees...practice joining accounts doing bh or something...or just give up :P

[GoblenJ]

Even though my post got deleted, my proof lies in the facts. This unnamed crew that I will keep anonymous, even though we all know who it is, has been trying for a blade for years... finally they get one from a 1 minute raid, even with security words in place. Hehe. Hehehe. HAH!


J you have NO facts! Like Walker stated, the crew redid the way it raids to something that's much more effecient. Yes we all know who you're talking about, but you still have NO FACTS that you've brought to light. C'mon, we all need a good laugh. Again, go cry elsewhere.

[Sensational]

they get one from a 1 minute raid

its was like 4 of them :-" zert, quiver, jazz, sigil ;)

[Shawty]

this is supposed to be a place to discuss, not insult others - try to keep it to topic

[trojanhorse]

Quiver, The Renegade •The Fallen Ones• 00:01:03 <<<< so i think we r pretty close to quiver in under 1 minute

and as a matter of fact i don't think it is AJ
it is not a very good idea to try for high gods with ajs coz all the server will be looking at it
and i don't think any of the raids did by the anonymBs crew were AJ either

though i am quiet sure b4 the new security system tehre were AJs
i donno if my memory is deceiving me but didn't tfo take sigil in 18 secs before teh new security system came up <<< still doesn't have to be aj

what i am pretty sure is aj is teh spawn god raids
i mean give me a break all teh crews that got bh on the sigil server to 49% before teh new system suddenly decided to stop hitting him

i donno if any1 noticed it but bh droppeed 3% yes 3% ONLY on sigil server since the new security system came out
don't give me the old bh doesn't drop good stuff excuse tehn y did u get him down to 49% in the first place
think abt it

[Sensational]

i donno if my memory is deceiving me but didn't tfo take sigil in 18 secs before teh new security system came up <<< still doesn't have to be aj


wasnt it 9 secs??

and then CH had to go beat us by doing it like 7 secs. lol

[trojanhorse]

wasnt it 9 secs??

and then CH had to go beat us by doing it like 7 secs. lol

thnx for pointing it out
and pointing out that ch beat ya :P

though it is still kinda weird coz 9 secs is a bit too little but who knows how it went mayb aj mayb not

[SkatrBill]

i hope people don't AJ cause thats just pathetic : / and i guess 1 min isn't 2 bad depending on how many people you have on and if ur pre skilled and not to mention i bet they only had to join 20 people, on rancid i raided sigil in around 2:51 with 2 other raiders and i believe we raided faster another time with a few more raiders.

mabey you guys just arn't as good of raiders as some people? or don't have logins set up in book marks? or something.

[SkatrBill]

wasnt it 9 secs??

and then CH had to go beat us by doing it like 7 secs. lol

if so thats TU TUT funny, MP soposelly took sigil in like 4 seconds or something cause raids glithced and we got suspended and accused of progs lol.

[trojanhorse]

no1 finds that ppl stopped doing bh suspescious

[Megadeth]

Noone does bh now because you have to wait 5 minutes after each raid. People will do 1 or 2 raids and get bored of it. Also noone wants to waste their skills/tomes on BH because of more important gods

[trojanhorse]

Noone does bh now because you have to wait 5 minutes after each raid. People will do 1 or 2 raids and get bored of it. Also noone wants to waste their skills/tomes on BH because of more important gods

and who got teh first 51% on him
don't give me al these excuses give me proof it is not AJ

[Wizzy]

i use to think that all raids under like 3 min were arj untill i started raiding, and realized that its not that hard to get a time under 2 min.
hell with 2 raiders on you can easily take sigil in about 2 min.
so think about what it would be like with 4 raiders on.
i say keep it the way it is. adds more of a coompetitive edge to raiding.
everyone who disagrees...practice joining accounts doing bh or something...or just give up :P

Thank you for making a point there that I wanted to repeat :-P.

And I think the security words are fine as is and that we should stop dwelling on the past because it gets us nowhere.
Posts about so and so Auto Joining this and that and then this and that happened doesn't help this particular thread. This thread should've gone in the direction of "yes/no I do believe we should/shouldn't change the way raids are done (security images) because of so so and so by doing this and that."

[Sparda1234]

I do like that keys idea, but it would take a lot of work and r eally finding a way to implement it properly. As for raid times, I can not discuss that issue but do know people are always watching.

It wouldnt be hard to code, they already have the base code of it.. Just use the bio key code on a talk mob in room 1. If you dont have the key cast you cant move outside of room 1 if you have it cast you can move anywhere in DC. Unlike stone raven to make it secure so that people dont just save hash to get back into DC make it so when the skill ends your charicators hash links change.

[deadlyrebel3629]

if you get used to the system and have fast internet you can be a raid in a minute, if you spot it a a right time and have the right people on.

But, there will always be people who find their way around the system to try and be better then everyone else. It will never stop, because if you come up with a new system and give it a few weeks someone will bypass it somehow.

[Domination]

3-4 weeks ago crews were beating sigil n quiver in 3-4 minutes sometimes longer.
now most crews are beating them in a minute tops.
guess it wasnt gonna take long before a way was found to pass the sec words on raids.
admins should just remove the sec words n let all aj atleast its fair.

8 seconds to beat sigil is fair?

[SkatrBill]

no1 finds that ppl stopped doing bh suspescious

ohh i totally found this suspicious but now blackhands just a TUT TUT hassle 1 raid every 5 min is ridiculously stupid, and i noticed a few cres on rancid who were doing 80 people BH raids with in like a few min who don't bother raiding gods like BH anymore lol.


Edit by Shawty - one more time using that language and you can have a day off ;)

[superdudes]

Personally I find ARJ's much more fu*ked up and against the rules and even goes past cheating, cause with dcaa's it really only affects him adn maybe a few other people, with gods it can effect 5-7 whole crews (not counting muties and wat not)

[DarkPimpGuy]

i know that when i join accounts, i hardly type the word, i just pretty much hit as many of the letters that i can see with just a glance.

for example:

random word

would just be
rdomwrd

and that sorta tricky usually works. and i usually skip repeated letters

[dtpy]

an aj for the new security system was partially worked out by the time i quit playin ow. so i'm guessin it has been finished by now, so sure ... of course there are sum ajs out.

recaptcha also has a lot of bugs... u can use a word's hash for a different word or, like sparda said, the answer does not have to be 100% correct as there are more answers to one word.

i can see 3 explanations ...
1. sumone made an ocr to work with the recaptcha images.
2. sumone got recaptcha's md5 hash algorithm
3. sumone has db again (or still has it ... not prolly tho) ...
and with db, joining is done in a second, no matter how many accs .. u just have to wait sum time before u launch so it won't be to suspicious ...

thing is ... tfo having db ? probably ...
diblos, mb and other nubs ... not so probably ...


and why not remove security words to even the plain, like hec suggested ... ofc it will be a "who can program better" raiding system .. but isn't it a "who can type faster" system anyway? instead of recruiting fast typing raiders, just recruit a good py/vb programmer ... :)

DarkTerror[FW] ;)

[skydragon666]

an aj for the new security system was partially worked out by the time i quit playin ow. so i'm guessin it has been finished by now, so sure ... of course there are sum ajs out.

recaptcha also has a lot of bugs... u can use a word's hash for a different word or, like sparda said, the answer does not have to be 100% correct as there are more answers to one word.

i can see 3 explanations ...
1. sumone made an ocr to work with the recaptcha images.
2. sumone got recaptcha's md5 hash algorithm
3. sumone has db again (or still has it ... not prolly tho) ...
and with db, joining is done in a second, no matter how many accs .. u just have to wait sum time before u launch so it won't be to suspicious ...

thing is ... tfo having db ? probably ...
diblos, mb and other nubs ... not so probably ...


and why not remove security words to even the plain, like hec suggested ... ofc it will be a "who can program better" raiding system .. but isn't it a "who can type faster" system anyway? instead of recruiting fast typing raiders, just recruit a good py/vb programmer ... :)

DarkTerror[FW] ;)

Dam Tfo Again Got 2 Love Us We Bring Ow 2 It's Knees Good Boy Now Sit

[Shawty]

Keep it to topic dtpy and sky ;)

[LordATL]

this post is funny lol cuz bfor OW got the sec img people was complainning that other use ARJ and now after they got the img they still complain lol just cuz they see other crew take gods after then they do just call that ARJ :D i think you guys just need to be faster :D

im sure other crew that take quiver in 45 sec have alot of joiner :D

[superdudes]

No matter what, the securty images do much more good then bad, if those were taken out all hell would break loose and the game would be ALOT less fun and interesting.

[Egnar]

In all due honesty, based on the fact that there are now malicious programs that reproduce recaptcha's from websites to trick people into clicking them to sign up bots to e-mail address it's entirely possible that current ARJ's do everything up until the raid and a user simply inputs the recaptcha at the very end. . .

I can't imagine this being incredibly hard to get around since someone has to be online to run the joiners anyway. I'm not saying I condone ARJ use I'm just saying these aren't very effective means to preventing them.

[Sparda1234]

Nope they aint, they are very buggy. So like chires said, ow need to either get a better security image provider or level the playing field.

[Shawty]

both are easier said than done tho Rich!

[Sparda1234]

not really, they need to remove a few lines of code from joinraid.php to level the playing field lol

[Rampid_Justin]

not really, they need to remove a few lines of code from joinraid.php to level the playing field lol

What lines? The captcha ones?

Well, if you want to go back to who can ARJ the fastest ( < 10s w/o db sync issues) than sure..

[Sparda1234]

Tut Tut Justin you should read all posts before posting on the last page :p lol

The sec images are very buggy, you do not need to read the full image on an AJ to get it to work. You only need to put in a word that is kind of the same spelling and the same amount of letters it is not as secure as there website says it is.

What i was saying was, that you need a new security image provider or what chires said which was level the playing field.

[jeffers1986]

Ive said it many times before, someone will always eventually adapt a program to whatever security words they put on the game. Its inevitable, it doesnt matter how advanced the coding is, theres will always be some uber computer geek who can eventually crack it.

[Sensational]

tbh i dont like the idea of removing sec images. i prefer the idea of new sec images :)

[jeffers1986]

Well then you better be up for the idea of making new ones every 6 months or so cause someones always gonna adapt to it.

[Sensational]

cant they just get loads of different security images at once (the clicking ones)? and then have it randomly put one in.. because then wouldnt the AJs click in wrong place on some of them and it'd take them longer?

[Sparda1234]

would cause big server lag i would have thought.

[Wizzy]

If anything and aj-ing is a super issue then I'd rather try some new image system or raiding system than remove security images completely.

[caShis]

lag would be better than aj kkthxbye.

[t3hst0rage]

would cause big server lag i would have thought.

even with the same amount of sec images on the servers? just all different kinds..

[trojanhorse]

Well then you better be up for the idea of making new ones every 6 months or so cause someones always gonna adapt to it.

what's wrong with that?????

[jeffers1986]

Well if they dont have a problem with putting in the extra work, fine.

[trojanhorse]

Well if they dont have a problem with putting in the extra work, fine.

it's their job
there are the ones supposed to make this game fair not me

[xShocKx]

Yeah, I don't get why atleast level 3 mods or better can't just view IP logs of raids and then submit stuff to the admins for them to look at themselves. Even though you could make a program switch proxies, this would probably catch most people.

[belgiumdude]

ok then what about trustees then they need to go

Ok then what about the people who have 25 accounts, then they need to go

[xdante]

every raid is legit......

I can personaly join 8 accounts in 1 min. With a help with a few joiners, anyonecan take a god within 1 min.. lol.....

Maybe you are too slow......

nuff said

[trojanhorse]

every raid is legit......

I can personaly join 8 accounts in 1 min. With a help with a few joiners, anyonecan take a god within 1 min.. lol.....

Maybe you are too slow......

nuff said

but never a sigil raid in 7 secs right (spotting joining skilling and launchig)

[belgiumdude]

some people don't even need to skill for sigil :)

[LordATL]

hahah 20 account in 7 sec that easy just have like 19 raider online not a problem

[Sparda1234]

even with the same amount of sec images on the servers? just all different kinds..

Outwar dont host the images they come from other security image servers. So they would have to random which server to use then have to wait for that server to random the image.

[dtpy]

hahah 20 account in 7 sec that easy just have like 19 raider online not a problem

are u retarded ?
everything is possible .... and it is surely possible that u are so stupid to believe that that is done legit.

[Wizzy]

Lmfao. Tone it down boys.

It is theoretically possible to do that if you have 31 people online - 1 person per account and 1 former and launcher ^_^.

[Domination]

Lmfao. Tone it down boys.

It is theoretically possible to do that if you have 31 people online - 1 person per account and 1 former and launcher ^_^.


That's how we all use to raid, Then came login exchanging which cause a monsterous amount of problems and truste issues ....awww the good ole days..

[xMatsuoShun]

just remove that thing it suks like hell getting sick of typing those stupid words cant even try some other raids cuz to join people its taking to long and that suks

[belgiumdude]

ok,

then you can hear all the smaller crew complain about bigger crews using a so called "auto-joiner"

[walkerboh]

Seems there's no end to this thread and the ridiculous comments. My thoughts, just close this thread and those that are complaining about the raids, learn to type faster or quit.

[Wizzy]

ok,

then you can hear all the smaller crew complain about bigger crews using a so called "auto-joiner"

Took the words right out of my mouth there BD, we just keep going in circles; and yes this thread should be closed by now. :D

[trojanhorse]

y should it be closed if ppl don't talk abt it here they will talk abt it every where else

[sabia]

So nice of ow to help ch to get sigil just now, its realy helpful for ch that ow freezes for mb and suddently sigil is gone.
Good one ow!
Great work

[snake]

So nice of ow to help ch to get sigil just now, its realy helpful for ch that ow freezes for mb and suddently sigil is gone.
Good one ow!
Great work

lmao we win 2 gods in 1 day and now we use a aj? sorry to tell you this sabia ch has won a hell of alot more gods then mb has yes we havent won much as of late cause we had alot of problems in the crew and alot of people in our crew work out of state alot so if you wanna start talking about aj you should really know the history of your crew cause it plain old SUCK ASS

[champ]

lol we beat FWs aj, i mean it's MBs now.

**** i dont care, CH 25 blades, MB 1, we win.

[kingmultis1_20]

lmao we win 2 gods in 1 day and now we use a aj? sorry to tell you this sabia ch has won a hell of alot more gods then mb has yes we havent won much as of late cause we had alot of problems in the crew and alot of people in our crew work out of state alot so if you wanna start talking about aj you should really know the history of your crew cause it plain old SUCK ASSCH got 2 gods in 1 day!!?1 :P -Ducati

[sabia]

lmao we win 2 gods in 1 day and now we use a aj? sorry to tell you this sabia ch has won a hell of alot more gods then mb has yes we havent won much as of late cause we had alot of problems in the crew and alot of people in our crew work out of state alot so if you wanna start talking about aj you should really know the history of your crew cause it plain old SUCK ASS

hmm, can't remember saying aj, but you got a good help from the admins since all our raiders ow did crash, and that just not normal when ow worked for other people

[snake]

hmm, can't remember saying aj, but you got a good help from the admins since all our raiders ow did crash, and that just not normal when ow worked for other people

well lets see you posted it in a thread that is called "ajs here or not"

[TruDeeMC2]

I think everyone should just shut the <beep> up! and get over it.. Get better or stay behind simple as..

[TruDeeMC2]

lol we beat FWs aj, i mean it's MBs now.

**** i dont care, CH 25 blades, MB 1, we win.

lol you guys got good help from admins.. way to win!

[kingmultis1_20]

shut your **** suckers

[champ]

you are totally right :(

we give 10% of the drop to the admins so they cause lag to all other crews.

you caught us fair and square, here's a cookie.

[TruDeeMC2]

lmao we win 2 gods in 1 day and now we use a aj? sorry to tell you this sabia ch has won a hell of alot more gods then mb has yes we havent won much as of late cause we had alot of problems in the crew and alot of people in our crew work out of state alot so if you wanna start talking about aj you should really know the history of your crew cause it plain old SUCK ASS

yea Snake.. seems the same thing was done to us.. we win 2 gods in 1 day and Druid and Chump start to cry about us.. so wtf.. MB ftw..

[papercut36]

Whats is MB?

[DruiD]

druid and champ > all of mb

[sabia]

you are totally right :(

we give 10% of the drop to the admins so they cause lag to all other crews.

you caught us fair and square, here's a cookie.

aaaaah, poor champ can't handel the people finds out that ch isn't as perfect as you wan't it to look like?
but your a lucky "beep" so you can use your "big" and "powerful" account and attack other people for telling the truth, boo hoo.
run to your mommy snake and champ, maybe they can teach you that its not fair to cheat

[sabia]

druid and champ > all of mb

omg ftw, its the aj creator lets all run and hide before he starts the aa on us:o

[TruDeeMC2]

why is it you guys(druid and champ) the first to cry Aj.. when others start to win gods.. Seems you Druid are one of the programmers on OW.. Work your way around the sec images.. by what I hear its not hard ;)

[DruiD]

For 1 I dunno how to do THAT kind of programming, and for 2, if you guys are pouting now, wait until we have more than 5 joiners on at the time sigil spawns, gonna get real nasty in the forums, lmao

I like seeing the drama though, means CH is back and you all aren't liking that

[TruDeeMC2]

For 1 I dunno how to do THAT kind of programming, and for 2, if you guys are pouting now, wait until we have more than 5 joiners on at the time sigil spawns, gonna get real nasty in the forums, lmao

I like seeing the drama though, means CH is back and you all aren't liking that

see now thats more like it.. Its a game.. it should have that challenge.. and actually its good to have CH back ;) pwn some shit!

[champ]

aaaaah, poor champ can't handel the people finds out that ch isn't as perfect as you wan't it to look like?
but your a lucky "beep" so you can use your "big" and "powerful" account and attack other people for telling the truth, boo hoo.
run to your mommy snake and champ, maybe they can teach you that its not fair to cheat

Don't make me blush, I'll take it as a compliment from now on ;)

[sabia]

For 1 I dunno how to do THAT kind of programming, and for 2, if you guys are pouting now, wait until we have more than 5 joiners on at the time sigil spawns, gonna get real nasty in the forums, lmao

I like seeing the drama though, means CH is back and you all aren't liking that

i agree we don't like it at all that you have made a new aj, but hey grats anyway on creating it.
that just means that ow got to fix their security like last time before you start getting sigil and quiver in 11 secs.

So welcomme back ch

[DruiD]

Yes, but the fact of the aj accusations and all that, just do some math sometime, take 90 seconds and how many accounts 5 people can get in in that span of time, and you'll see that 1:30 is actually a slower raid, but faster than compared to recent god death times - that's all I'm saying

Not to mention our raid bar, who everyone on this server knows is kick ass

[TruDeeMC2]

lets just pwn Sigil server all together :P

[snake]

aaaaah, poor champ can't handel the people finds out that ch isn't as perfect as you wan't it to look like?
but your a lucky "beep" so you can use your "big" and "powerful" account and attack other people for telling the truth, boo hoo.
run to your mommy snake and champ, maybe they can teach you that its not fair to cheat


lmao im going to teach him on how not to cheat? if you guys knew anything about ch you would know that we just booted 20+ people for use of dcaa's that is the reason we missed gods all the time is people wouldn't shut them off but now they i decided to boot them we will be winning allot of gods in both ch and our multi crew ownage so i hope you guys had your fun getting that 1 blade in your crew cause it will be another 4 years until you get a nother one

[papercut36]

and threat closed, tyvm. go ch!

[Wizzy]

Welcome back Cold Hearted! I wonder what ya'll have up yer sleeves. 1:37 is quite impressive I must say.

You can't say with such a time you didn't expect accusations of Auto Joining. ^_^

[DruiD]

ok, 5 people joining, meaning about every 5 - 10 seconds depending on connection we have 5 accounts in. Take that by 6 to = 30 - 60 seconds, give or take some time for forming we'll say 10 -15 seconds extra on to that = 45 - 75 seconds, we killed it in 87 seconds. Looking at that logic you can see that 1:27 (87 seconds) is slow, but based on current kill times it's a fast raid. You all can sit here all day and talk about us ajing, bottom line w1zzy is you've seen our raid bar before, you know it trims seconds off of joining accounts in the first place, why can't we just enjoy our win without someoen breathing down our back because we happened to have atleast 5 joiners on at the time of the spawn?

Now that everyone that dcaa'ed in our crew no matter what level they were are gone, we're gonna be more organized and their will be more of this to come, are we gonna have to hear this each time we win a god now?

[LadyDutch]

So your raidbar is not a programm and so its legal ??

This is btw just a question, i dont acuse anyone!!

And Snake dont count on that .

[DruiD]

We've been using it for 2 years + and yes admins have seen/approved it LONG ago

[simonrobinson]

wow i started this thread few days ago and its become hella sexy thread-three cheers for the chires HIP HIP HOOOOOORAYYYYYYYY!!!!

[Wizzy]

ok, 5 people joining, meaning about every 5 - 10 seconds depending on connection we have 5 accounts in. Take that by 6 to = 30 - 60 seconds, give or take some time for forming we'll say 10 -15 seconds extra on to that = 45 - 75 seconds, we killed it in 87 seconds. Looking at that logic you can see that 1:27 (87 seconds) is slow, but based on current kill times it's a fast raid. You all can sit here all day and talk about us ajing, bottom line w1zzy is you've seen our raid bar before, you know it trims seconds off of joining accounts in the first place, why can't we just enjoy our win without someoen breathing down our back because we happened to have atleast 5 joiners on at the time of the spawn?

Now that everyone that dcaa'ed in our crew no matter what level they were are gone, we're gonna be more organized and their will be more of this to come, are we gonna have to hear this each time we win a god now?

Easy there bud. I never accused ya'll of anything :p

Just out of curiosity, how come ya'll had't been winning raids the past couple months if you've had your leet bar for so long? Was it the DCAAers?

[BiGwHiStLe]

Do be honest Outwar will never be able to stop any sort of auto or semi joining.
If someone has the time and skills they can make any sort of program to get round outwar's "security" images, unless they totally re-worked the way raids worked.

1 min 27 isn't that quicker really, Sigil dies in under 2 minutes on Zimbob most times he's up.
It just depends how crews work their trustie splits and how many people are on.

And Wizzy you stole my KFC!

[champ]

Easy there bud. I never accused ya'll of anything :p

Just out of curiosity, how come ya'll had't been winning raids the past couple months if you've had your leet bar for so long? Was it the DCAAers?


Months? Try Weeks ;)

That and other factors.


And yes Hec, HOT Topic !!

[bluedthunder]

*Foresees this thread will turn into Let's Accuse Each Other of AJ soon* :-"

[Wizzy]

Forsee? It's already been going on for a couple of pages rofl.

[DruiD]

Well among other things (me working out of town for 3 months along with others who weren't as active as usual) yes the dcaa'ers were a big cause, wouldn't have enough camped at gods and blah blah blah, just one of those things that hurt us

[Arendil]

Face it, as long as there are programming geniuses out there, willing to spend days/weeks to make programs for OutWar, there will never be a truly secure, or in that case, fair way to play.

[simonrobinson]

Face it, as long as there are programming geniuses out there, willing to spend days/weeks to make programs for OutWar, there will never be a truly secure, or in that case, fair way to play.

well i suggested 2 things to ow one was the camping-camping guardians like sigil and quiver is commonplace on outwar but if they set it so that when a god spawned it randomly moved to 1 room anywhere in diamond city.
this would stop camping a god and would mean moving around dc to find it.
only flaw is dcaa can move massive amount of accounts at the same time to a guardian so as soon as the guardian was found u could move 40 accs there real quick.
again this would help a little but not much.

my second suggestion was dc pass As you know all low levels need a dc pass so ow could just put us in room1 ect and we would all have to obtain the dc pass which lasts 4hrs then u are teleported back to room1 and would need a new pass.

[dtpy]

wtf... :| this thread is getting stupid ...

i dunno if anyone has aj yet (no trudee, it's not easy to get around that sec image), but surely some crews have a semi aj which i think is ok...

but cmon, mb acusing ch that adminds caused lag so that ch could take a god? WTF .. that's the stupidest thing i ever heard :| I don't even think CH get along with admins :| ...Acusing tfo of such things .. ok ...i can even bring proof they get along with admins :-j (like sky gets along with justin, so justin awards him an essence of zhul out of nowhere o_O...)

CH beat FWs aj? ... sure ? which one ? =)) we had good ones, bad ones, we had lazy periods .. :P but yea, think i can remember ch beeing fast on raids .. but it was when everybody on ow was aj-ing ... so don't tell me u did it legit .. really .. don't...u'll just make a fool out of your self ... so yea ... if u did have a multi-thread aj, thats ok . u beat us ... one way or another, it's the same for me ....

this thread should get closed ... noone doesn't even know what they're talking about ... too many nubs saying too many stupid things.

[simonrobinson]

this thread was started by me and its a sexy thread let it reach atleast 2000 posts before u close it.

SEXY SEXY SEXY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chgangstapur1]

lol @ all the retards who are using programs accusing others of it

MB - we all kno you got ahold of fw's old AJ
tfo - we all know you have aj and autoskiller


no ones stupid you guys use it so its so obvious

even diablos got a hold of one