War Tournament Idea

[DarkPimpGuy]

I posted this in the old forums about the time they went down. (back when OW had a crew war ladder)

Let's face it, wars used to be a great part of this game, and they still could be. The problem is nobody wants to war. The game should make it worth while to war. Now they have a war ladder that seems to be defunct because nobody wars and the crews on top of the war ladder are clearly not the best war crews out there. So here's my idea, each month* host a server wide tournament.

Each crew could enter the tournament as it pleases. Leave registration for the tournament open for about a day* or so to give crews a chance to register. After it closes seed the crews based on crew power. To prevent lots of multi crews from entering, limit this to the top 15 crews**. and seed the crews in a bracket of 16. Give the Number One crew to register a bye in the first round. The bracket would work 1 seed gets a bye, 2 seed vs 15, 3 vs 14th and so on. with 16 crews it would take 4 rounds, and with wars lasting 3 days that's 12 days long. After the first round you divide the winners and losers into two pools and re-seed them, and have each crew play off for position in the final seeding.

At the end of the war the crews would get a prizes based on their final seeding.

1st - 1k points and 5 extra god caps until the next tournament
2nd - 750 points and 4 extra god caps
3nd - 500 points and 3 extra god caps
4th - 400 points and 2 extra god caps
5th - 300 points and 1 extra god caps
6-10th - 200 points
11-15th - 100 points

My reasoning for giving points to all participants is to give even the littlest crew a reason to try.

* Time can change as admins see fit.
** if after one day of registration the bracket isn't filled, open it up to the entire server for an additional day.

I'm still tinkering with this idea so let's hear some feed back.

[titchnolan]

we need to think how to stop people growing 500k aday! lol its a joke that way people hit lvl 70 in no time look they have just increased the lvl chart and people are hitting lvl 70 already we need wars

[Kourtney]

Amazing Idea. You've got my vote! :)
Adding god caps as a prize would REALLY get people interested in this

[skydragon666]

Woot Another GREAT idea for Tfo nice 1

[Wizzy]

I posted this in the old forums about the time they went down. (back when OW had a crew war ladder)

Let's face it, wars used to be a great part of this game, and they still could be. The problem is nobody wants to war. The game should make it worth while to war. Now they have a war ladder that seems to be defunct because nobody wars and the crews on top of the war ladder are clearly not the best war crews out there. So here's my idea, each month* host a server wide tournament.

Each crew could enter the tournament as it pleases. Leave registration for the tournament open for about a day* or so to give crews a chance to register. After it closes seed the crews based on crew power. To prevent lots of multi crews from entering, limit this to the top 15 crews**. and seed the crews in a bracket of 16. Give the Number One crew to register a bye in the first round. The bracket would work 1 seed gets a bye, 2 seed vs 15, 3 vs 14th and so on. with 16 crews it would take 4 rounds, and with wars lasting 3 days that's 12 days long. After the first round you divide the winners and losers into two pools and re-seed them, and have each crew play off for position in the final seeding.

At the end of the war the crews would get a prizes based on their final seeding.

1st - 1k points and 5 extra god caps until the next tournament
2nd - 750 points and 4 extra god caps
3nd - 500 points and 3 extra god caps
4th - 400 points and 2 extra god caps
5th - 300 points and 1 extra god caps
6-10th - 200 points
11-15th - 100 points

My reasoning for giving points to all participants is to give even the littlest crew a reason to try.

* Time can change as admins see fit.
** if after one day of registration the bracket isn't filled, open it up to the entire server for an additional day.

I'm still tinkering with this idea so let's hear some feed back.

I'm not too convinced with this idea. Maybe if I read it over a couple times because I'm more used to the previous War system Outwar had and thought it was just dandy the way it was excepting for the loyalty and illusion and such.

[Fr3shskillz]

yall got my vote wars are the best great idea man ;}

[Domination]

Ya the old war ladder failed and was removed, the same crew's one over and over, the same thing would happen with this idea.

[jZampage]

I posted this in the old forums about the time they went down. (back when OW had a crew war ladder)

Let's face it, wars used to be a great part of this game, and they still could be. The problem is nobody wants to war. The game should make it worth while to war. Now they have a war ladder that seems to be defunct because nobody wars and the crews on top of the war ladder are clearly not the best war crews out there. So here's my idea, each month* host a server wide tournament.

Each crew could enter the tournament as it pleases. Leave registration for the tournament open for about a day* or so to give crews a chance to register. After it closes seed the crews based on crew power. To prevent lots of multi crews from entering, limit this to the top 15 crews**. and seed the crews in a bracket of 16. Give the Number One crew to register a bye in the first round. The bracket would work 1 seed gets a bye, 2 seed vs 15, 3 vs 14th and so on. with 16 crews it would take 4 rounds, and with wars lasting 3 days that's 12 days long. After the first round you divide the winners and losers into two pools and re-seed them, and have each crew play off for position in the final seeding.

At the end of the war the crews would get a prizes based on their final seeding.

1st - 1k points and 5 extra god caps until the next tournament
2nd - 750 points and 4 extra god caps
3nd - 500 points and 3 extra god caps
4th - 400 points and 2 extra god caps
5th - 300 points and 1 extra god caps
6-10th - 200 points
11-15th - 100 points

My reasoning for giving points to all participants is to give even the littlest crew a reason to try.

* Time can change as admins see fit.
** if after one day of registration the bracket isn't filled, open it up to the entire server for an additional day.

I'm still tinkering with this idea so let's hear some feed back.

I disagree. Especially coming from someone in TFO (according to Sky, I'm not going to do background checks here) you understand the importance of god caps, or lack thereof. They are pretty pointless considering you can have ling crews or training crews. There are only 7 or so gods that are worth killing in a main crew that can do it. I.E. Ash/Brutal/Dreg/Ebliss/Ag/BC/ and an occasional other 5 man if another crew got one of those. Quiver ganja and sigil are easy in a ling crew with decent people. We all know this. I think there needs to be more incentive then just that. And 1k points isn't very much, that's essentially 1 SR run. I think a better idea is ...

1st - 10 crew upgrade points
2nd - 8 ^^
3nd - 6 ^^
4th - 4 ^^
5th - 2 ^^
6-10th - 1^^
11-15th - consolation prize for sucking ass

*Edit

forgot to add that crew upgrade points are those things that are like GPS and what not? :p You can spend them in w/e category you would like etc. or combine categorys, w/e you want. I know there isn't a fully upgraded crew yet, but once there is, we will address the problem when we cross it ;p

[Bloodkitty1st]

perhaps we need to sticky a war topic basis thread, that will say to all the people that will insist on talking about Illusion and Loyalty, is that they won't be available during wars ¬.¬... every single topic about wars has had something to do with this.

as on the idea, I think it is a really good one. Most crews wouldn't be playing for the Points, but the Extra God Caps, its a great way to get people less focused on DC, and more focused on stripping rivals EXP.

[bluedthunder]

The same crew will pretty much win it every time and pretty much with the award from the tournament increase the power more and eventually pretty much monopolize it. Pretty unfair for the other crews.

[PainIsGreat]

The same crew will pretty much win it every time and pretty much with the award from the tournament increase the power more and eventually pretty much monopolize it. Pretty unfair for the other crews.

Well it doesnt have to be 15 crews so that the less stronger crews can fight eachother and the strongers... as he says that every one get a price so the crew get be stronger and stronger so it will also help the small crews.

[Wizzy]

It could be set so that you can only war crews within the same power range. :-??

[Domination]

It could be set so that you can only war crews within the same power range. :-??


Thats a good idea, crews close to each other on the crew power list.

[Wizzy]

Of course the average members and number of actual members would have to be in range as well because if not one crew of 40 people and 2 Billion power could be fighting another crew of 150 people and 2 Billion power. Catch my drift?

[bluedthunder]

And maybe some handicaps on the winning crew for the next tournament

[crudedude]

umm yea there r fully upgraded crews... theres 1 on fabar and 2 or 3 crews really really close. i think make it 10k pts = 1st etc.
we all know 10k pts isn't that much for a crew its like 12 sr runs for a good crew. and u can upgrade ur crew with the pts if u want.

[skydragon666]

ya but 10k is a ok amount and people will go hard core for 10k lol

[DarkPimpGuy]

the argument that the same crew would monopolize the system to get stronger is essentially false. Yes the same crew can win it over and over again, but I don't see them getting that much stronger because of it. 5 extra god caps isn't that much. as it was noted earlier there are only 7 gods worth taking so 15 god caps doesn't give that crew too big of an advantage. the points are just a nice little bonus.

however i think we've come to the consensus that wars need to make a comeback. (Justin pay attention)

[jZampage]

The same crew will pretty much win it every time and pretty much with the award from the tournament increase the power more and eventually pretty much monopolize it. Pretty unfair for the other crews.

Exactly right - which is why another incentive needs to be implemented.

[DarkPimpGuy]

when was the last time a crew fought with it's own members? if awards were crew based, i think people would be less likely to crew hop for wars, and simply just fight for their own crews. which i believe is what people want, whenever there's a war on OW it's whoever can recruit the best folks to join their crew for the war that usually wins; awards being crew based would make it so that folks would stay in their own crew to fight for it.

[superdudes]

Any way they can work wars back into the game I would be ok with. Wars were so much fun, it really showed you could talk the talk and who was jsut bullsh*ting thier way through it all

[jZampage]

when was the last time a crew fought with it's own members? if awards were crew based, i think people would be less likely to crew hop for wars, and simply just fight for their own crews. which i believe is what people want, whenever there's a war on OW it's whoever can recruit the best folks to join their crew for the war that usually wins; awards being crew based would make it so that folks would stay in their own crew to fight for it.

Maybe a good idea is having player bound gear awarded to the winning crew to the people with the best credits from the war (stripping most experience) or augments, orbs, etc. Doesn't especially have to be points considering I highly doubt outwar would just 'give' points anymore.

[Bon3r]

i like the idea but there might be a chance a crew can split into 2 and enter tournament and get 1st and 2nd place making it still slightly unfair for others. if they had a way of setting it up so that u had to have a certain amount of people to start a war then it would make it easier so that people don't cheat in ways to get pts for 1 crew

[jZampage]

i like the idea but there might be a chance a crew can split into 2 and enter tournament and get 1st and 2nd place making it still slightly unfair for others. if they had a way of setting it up so that u had to have a certain amount of people to start a war then it would make it easier so that people don't cheat in ways to get pts for 1 crew

I think you would submit a war proposal and an admin would look it over, your reasoning and either approve it or disapprove it - that way all fairness is contained.

[Bon3r]

yeah but i dont think the admins really have time to look over every single war. i mean the way he siad it 24 hrs for crews to join admins wont look crew to crew to see if theres a mismatch or something. like i said erlier i liek the idea and i would love to war :P

[jZampage]

yeah but i dont think the admins really have time to look over every single war. i mean the way he siad it 24 hrs for crews to join admins wont look crew to crew to see if theres a mismatch or something. like i said erlier i liek the idea and i would love to war :P

They should, that's what they're for... hell it's not like tickets are getting answered or anything.

[Bon3r]

i think there to busy with that cop game there working on lol.

[jZampage]

i think there to busy with that cop game there working on lol.

I don't know what an admin would be doing with that. They have programmers for it, and it's not like anyone is cheating on it yet. Admins busy playing WoW stealing ideas for CoP ;)

[Bon3r]

I don't know what an admin would be doing with that. They have programmers for it, and it's not like anyone is cheating on it yet. Admins busy playing WoW stealing ideas for CoP ;)

LMFAO they probably are. to tell you the truht the only admin i have ever seen that talks and responds is justin o.0

[jZampage]

LMFAO they probably are. to tell you the truht the only admin i have ever seen that talks and responds is justin o.0

Lol I think it is, and yeah, justin seems the most active on the forums for sure - with Pure and Shawty following.

[Wizzy]

I think you would submit a war proposal and an admin would look it over, your reasoning and either approve it or disapprove it - that way all fairness is contained.
Lol. This entire thread is a proposal.

[simonrobinson]

i think its flawed slightly the more powerful crews would definatly have an advantage over others.
the only way to make it fair is to make it so all hits count as a win and all xp stripped is the same.
ie you hit 200 members u get 200 hits no matter if u are lv1 or lv70 also u all strip the same
which can be set by leaders or outwar eg all hits take 100xp from player

[simonrobinson]

oh and u take 100xp but u gain 0

[DarkPimpGuy]

why should a war be different? I don't see how being in a war should somehow make everybody equal. If everybody was equal there would be no consequence to blindly running an auto attacker. I like the previous point system where every loss counted as a point for the other team.

really if you're going to make everything equal, why stop at just level difference, why not cap each player to only using 2k rage in a war. a standardized playing field isn't useful for a war.