Mod Abuse

[crypticlifestyle]

Hey ow you should put a leash on the mods on your game...It's out of hand, and it been ignored long enough, and out of curiosity why was my shout box post, and profile cleared?

ALso dont you think it's time you put a end to this monopoly of having multiple mods in the same crew? 4-5 in the same crew is a bit ridiculous wouldnt you agree?

[Xcaliber1216]

agreed. mods just abuse there powers and like to clear profiles descriptions alot..i know i dont bother putting points into my prof description b/c it randomly gets deleted by mods who dislike me..

and also agree that there shouldnt be like 5 mods in 1 crew and 0 in another crew..seems pretty unfair that 1 crew has that much of an advantage on us

[Rampid_Misery]

02-17-08 - Removed Shoutbox Post : Thanks clearing my profile...Nothing against TOS was in it TY
You've been playing long enough to know those types of posts are always cleared.

No idea why your profile was cleared. Mostly likely it was an accident or confusion on part of who did it.

There is no "advantage" to crews that have mods in them. Most of the people you know are in your crew. Monitors like to hire people that they know won't be total morons.

[Xcaliber1216]

02-17-08 - Removed Shoutbox Post : Thanks clearing my profile...Nothing against TOS was in it TY
You've been playing long enough to know those types of posts are always cleared.

No idea why your profile was cleared. Mostly likely it was an accident or confusion on part of who did it.

There is no "advantage" to crews that have mods in them. Most of the people you know are in your crew. Monitors like to hire people that they know won't be total morons.

everything should be proportioned tho...no reason why 1 crew needs 5 mods and a crew like ours has 0...see the unbalance?

and also, how do you accidently clear a profile and a SB post..no way there can be a coincidence like that

[Rampid_Misery]

everything should be proportioned tho...no reason why 1 crew needs 5 mods and a crew like ours has 0...see the unbalance?

and also, how do you accidently clear a profile and a SB post..no way there can be a coincidence like that

Accidentally clearing a profile is pretty easy to do, I've done it plenty of times.
His shout box post wasn't accidentally deleted. Posts complaining about things are always removed.

[crypticlifestyle]

02-17-08 - Removed Shoutbox Post : Thanks clearing my profile...Nothing against TOS was in it TY
You've been playing long enough to know those types of posts are always cleared.

No idea why your profile was cleared. Mostly likely it was an accident or confusion on part of who did it.

There is no "advantage" to crews that have mods in them. Most of the people you know are in your crew. Monitors like to hire people that they know won't be total morons.

That dosnt answer my question, what is wrong with saying what i said? Those kind of posts violate no rules on ow, and i have no mods in my crew, each time we do they are conveniently fired, go figure? There was no confusion what so ever, dont even blow smoke up my *** , it was intentional, and yet another fine example of the outrageous history of mod abuse...

Multiple mods in crews has always been a bad thing, not sure if your trying to sweep your own dust under the rug but it has always lead to abuse of power...There isnt a single head mod or mod on this game that dosnt supply info on other people, snoop for other players, or rat out other players for neg skilling etc etc etc, use typpo, or macros...Please dont insult my intelligence, and say that isnt the case, it is the case, its always been the case, and its wide spread of who does what for who...How are you supposed to clean up a game when the very people who are hired to moderate it are corrupt themselves?

[Domination]

I had my profile deleted too the other day, i'm not sure what rule i broke.

[Firestarter]

oh, well, i got my profile deleted just cause i bruted back a mod who attacked me first. so , yeah, sometimes mods abuse their powers, specially the lower level ones who think they are hawt if they are level 4 -5 moderators . bad mods :(

[Sparda1234]

I was the best head mod ever! I never used to abuse anything! lol :D

[DarkPimpGuy]

even way back when i was a mod, i was aware of other mods abusing their powers. The inability to police the situation is part of the reason i resigned. and it's rather evident that mods do have a bias towards not clearing their own members profile. which is part of the problem of multiple mods in a crew.

When i was a monitor, their was a rule against having helpers in the same crew. Have the rules been relaxed?

[GAGE]

for anyone to say mods dont abuse there powers is a complete joke, ive known mods to look in my bp and vault and ask me if i was selling what was in it, so is that not abusing there powers right there?

i get my profile cleared and deleted and disabled all the time, for having a pic of a gurl, so i guess a gurl showing some skin on a big account is against tos but on a smaller account its fine, the way mods work is very poor, they should have little to no power at all cause all they do is abuse it, all u have to do is piss some1 off and they will disable your profile and trade block its been done many times

i also remember way back in sanc when u were only allowed a certain amount of mods in one crew u even told wayne he had to leave sanc or lose his mod status lol but now its cool for all mods to be in one crew

[Sparda1234]

u even told wayne he had to leave sanc or lose his mod status lol but now its cool for all mods to be in one crew

LOL i remember that, that was quite poor indeed... if i remember right, Zach gave Wayne a leet item for putting it on him.. Then Wayne just joined with a multi lol


Anyways, shouldnt you be in bed :o i guess i should be too but i just got back from work :p

[Swudeson]

I never got a chance to resign. I joined Shadowsoldiers, then TOLD Ep1tome I was going on a 1 week 'vacation' to chicago. I had some business up there. He said it was ok. I get back, and my mod is gone. Not only that, but I was NEVER given the chat on IRC to go to! I helped MANY people over AOL Instant Messenger, Yahoo!, or MSN. I used those instead of Outwar Message because of the quickness of responses, unless it was absolutely necessary to communicate VIA outwar message.

Oh well, but I DO know that there was Moderation abuse, it's just not an easy thing to convey. One moderator answered my support ticket in a manner in which he dealt with me like I was ignorant to how the rules were as a Mod. I used NO inappropriate words, just a firm tone about my message. The ticket is still unanswered... I still wish I was a mod, helping people was great. I knew about the flaws of the game, as well as the low quality of some support many people received. I took joy in helping people out fairly. I also helped write the Outwar Wiki, but my work seemed to go unnoticed. Perhaps an error of communication was to blame for my termination, but it was never communicated to me as why!

There are some good mods though, and they know who they are! ;)

[GAGE]

LOL i remember that, that was quite poor indeed... if i remember right, Zach gave Wayne a leet item for putting it on him.. Then Wayne just joined with a multi lol


Anyways, shouldnt you be in bed :o i guess i should be too but i just got back from work :p

yeah they gave him an item to leave sanc cause we had to many mods lol but now those rules dont seem to be enforced at all its like do as u like

LOL yeah same ive not long got home from work myself, i bet i had a better night than u did :P

[minimario]

oh, well, i got my profile deleted just cause i bruted back a mod who attacked me first. so , yeah, sometimes mods abuse their powers, specially the lower level ones who think they are hawt if they are level 4 -5 moderators . bad mods :( thats bullzhit, all level 4 and 5 mods can do is delete sb posts and tb posts. stuff gets dirty when it hits pure or bones.

[Firestarter]

rofl, don't tell me what level 4 mods can do, i've been a mod . and level 4 mods can delete profiles ;)

[minimario]

no they cant, i got fired yesterday :) we got the button but it dont work for us

[Firestarter]

rofl, maybe cause they abused it too much. it worked when i was a mod :p

[minimario]

probably but like i said, 3/4 of the level 4/5 mods i met where cool and legit. honestly only thing thats worth abusing is lookin at trade logs and bp. but really you know they dont give a rats azz. and btw shawty your a newb and you know where to shove it

[crypticlifestyle]

You have been banned from this page until Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:45:24 -0500.
The current time is Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:15:43 -0500
The reason for this ban is:

The reason is? Oh the " <3 mod abuse" in my profile, after my profile was cleared due to mod abuse, lol...Is it really that unorthodox to have that in my profile that it needs to be banned? The health care system aint even as ****** up the governing bodies operate on here...

Also why isnt there any rules or system put in place where a reason is sent to the inbox for profile clearings like there is with warnings?

[minimario]

becuse then thy wouldnt have the ability to abuse it anymore :/

[D34thN0t3]

for anyone to say mods dont abuse there powers is a complete joke, ive known mods to look in my bp and vault and ask me if i was selling what was in it, so is that not abusing there powers right there?

i get my profile cleared and deleted and disabled all the time, for having a pic of a gurl, so i guess a gurl showing some skin on a big account is against tos but on a smaller account its fine, the way mods work is very poor, they should have little to no power at all cause all they do is abuse it, all u have to do is piss some1 off and they will disable your profile and trade block its been done many times

i also remember way back in sanc when u were only allowed a certain amount of mods in one crew u even told wayne he had to leave sanc or lose his mod status lol but now its cool for all mods to be in one crew

Yea i was warned for nothing while ago, probably cos ive returned a hit from a crewhit that was a mod and a mod msged me to buy some stuff from my multi and knows the exact stuff, never told anyone what i had and its been in vault for a while and never been on tradeblock.

And my profile has been cleared also for putting skill orbs for sale on profile.

[minimario]

mod abuse outnumbers black on black crime :O

[DarkPimpGuy]

i used to hit mods for fun when misery had a list of them up on outwarzone. they'd hit me back with warnings, clearing my profile, and i heard trying to get me suspended

[Domination]

Maybe they should all be put under review then if it is so bad. If there caught and its proven they should be per suspended for abusing there position.

[simonrobinson]

ive actually never been a mod but if i was a mod i would be the sexiest mod in the world.

on another note sparda was a very good mod..i say sparda for joint head mod with shawty as both very good mods....

whos with me say aahhhh

[sirjohn159]

If a mod abuses their powers purposely then notify whoever hired them, you can usually find that out by asking other mods. Or you can send in a support ticket with evidence of that particular mod abusing their powers. Also not all mods are bias towards their crew and not clear their crew's profiles. Most of the profiles I deleted were my own crews.

[Domination]

Sure why not, he gets my vote. ....hmm maybe that how mods should be appointed through forum voting?

[SkatrBill]

Accidentally clearing a profile is pretty easy to do, I've done it plenty of times.
His shout box post wasn't accidentally deleted. Posts complaining about things are always removed.
Yea. pure deleted my pro a few times on 'accident' :p

There is no "advantage" to crews that have mods in them. Most of the people you know are in your crew. Monitors like to hire people that they know won't be total morons.
Agreed, like sirjohn said, he finds him self deleting profiles from people from his crew, and hes only aware of them if someone mentions them to him... or if hes looking around at my profile deciding to be a big meanie :p.

but generally if ur pro gets deleted and its for a bad reason some mods can see and if their nice enough they will give you part of ur old profile back. i.e. ur wishlist or something.

If a mod abuses their powers purposely then notify whoever hired them, you can usually find that out by asking other mods. Or you can send in a support ticket with evidence of that particular mod abusing their powers. Also not all mods are bias towards their crew and not clear their crew's profiles. Most of the profiles I deleted were my own crews.
this smelly monkeys right. generally he deletes my profiles : / JK, i bearly give a reason to have my profile deleted 'anymore' :X. but i guess people could be kinda biased towards other crews but ur just gonna have to keep dealing with it... the mod whos abusing their powers shouldn't have them that much longer if the stuff keeps up.

[dtowns]

I was the best head mod ever! I never used to abuse anything! lol :D

sparda for president :D :p

[Shawty]

I'm with Hec :D

95% of mods do their job - ppl ***** at them cause they don't like the answer, or don't understand that mod powers cannot actually resolve an issue within 30 seconds!

Thats nothing but false hopes!

ofc some mods abuse their power - you will never get away from that, head mods can't see what they do other than actual action taken, so we can't see if they are looking thru someones BP etc etc, but we do read logs and where stuff is DEL where it shouldn't have been, we always have a word - the problem here is that sigil being the older server (apart from CL/www) id that the players expect more, most of the time, they shouldn't!

What a lot of players (exp on sigil) need to realise, is that they are not special, they don't and shouldn't get special treatment just because of who they are, too many ppl expect it and don't like it when they don't get it!

IMO, support is better now than it was when i was a player and has got better since i became a mod a good old while ago.

and i am still with Hec :D

[Domination]

I'm with Hec :D

95% of mods do their job - ppl ***** at them cause they don't like the answer, or don't understand that mod powers cannot actually resolve an issue within 30 seconds!

Thats nothing but false hopes!

ofc some mods abuse their power - you will never get away from that, head mods can't see what they do other than actual action taken, so we can't see if they are looking thru someones BP etc etc, but we do read logs and where stuff is DEL where it shouldn't have been, we always have a word - the problem here is that sigil being the older server (apart from CL/www) id that the players expect more, most of the time, they shouldn't!

What a lot of players (exp on sigil) need to realise, is that they are not special, they don't and shouldn't get special treatment just because of who they are, too many ppl expect it and don't like it when they don't get it!

IMO, support is better now than it was when i was a player and has got better since i became a mod a good old while ago.

and i am still with Hec :D

I agree with the IMO part, back in the day we didn't even have mods now we have them and now we actually have contact with the admin of this game, back then we didn't even know who they where. people with power will abuse it if they don't understand how to use it or if its for there own gain.

[nacario]

...and thats the way the cookie crumbles?!"

[Domination]

...and thats the way the cookie crumbles?!"

see thats alot cornier then what i said. :P

[PaasHaaS]

No mod abuse my ass lol.

I remember very well that I had a certain mod hitlisted. He messaged me that same day I added him and told me I'd better remove him because he was a mod and he got powers I didn't want to mess with.. LoL..

Luckily this is only a minority tho :)

[nacario]

baaad mod, very baad. 0(

[abandit99]

i drew an angry cornflake (sharp teeth) eating stickmen on paint. then used it as my profile pic. it was gone the next day. what was wrong with that?

[Domination]

lets see it?

[abandit99]

there u go

[Domination]

I can't see whats wrong with that.

[belgiumdude]

Look everything that a mod lvl4/5 does needs to ge tapproved by the moderator that hired him

If they disapprove too much he gets fired.

Support is being uber at the moment. Lots of things actually gets fixed fast. The Moderators and their helpers know the game betetr then ever,the online hours of the helpers and moderators are very good balanced. I wish there was soo good support back in the time I started. We were on our own and never got our tickets fixed or answered. At the moment every ticket gets answered within 4 hours or gets an action within 4 hours( this numbers are on sigil).

Yes off course some mods abuse their powers, off course you guys got complaints, off course mistakes are maken every mod and helper is still a human, we make mistakes but those mistakes aren't the majority of the time, if we do something wrong you get the blame for it. I would like to know who hasn't made errors ever in his/her life. If you see a helper or a mod abuse their powers just tell some other mod that he did it with prove.

I hope that this solves some things. I know this is a long posts and I hate long posts blah

[Domination]

I wish there was soo good support back in the time I started. We were on our own and never got our tickets fixed or answered.

amen to that. the only time we saw an admin is when we where getting suspened for thugbuilders haha.

[TheTurkishMafia1989]

We should be able to see which mod cleared our profile/picture

[abandit99]

We should be able to see which mod cleared our profile/picture

ditto to that

[OMFGsPaZz]

my profile has had dirty words in it for a few months now and hasent been cleared, and ive pissed a few mods off :O

[Wizzy]

No mod abuse my ass lol.

I remember very well that I had a certain mod hitlisted. He messaged me that same day I added him and told me I'd better remove him because he was a mod and he got powers I didn't want to mess with.. LoL..

Luckily this is only a minority tho :)

Apparently the 20 people sharing their negative experiences in this thread is minority :p If I'm correct, in a business like a flower shop, if any ONE client is mishandled, the business usually does their best to make it up even if it's JUST one person. It's the quality of service that matters. It's a pity that we don't seem that have that here by the looks of this thread.

[caShis]

i have to say wizzy is on crack sorry about him, but better transparancy i.e. lettin people see which mod did what should only improve the support system

[Shawty]

i have to say wizzy is on crack sorry about him, but better transparancy i.e. lettin people see which mod did what should only improve the support system

lol - no, it certainly wouldn't, because that would rely on the rationality of the players, which half of whom do'nt possess.

you have in your profile "Selling Account", it gets deleted (rightfully so) then the player finds out who did it, and tells all their pretty friends about it and that player is then targeted - for doing what they are supposed to!

Before people complain endlessly about mods, they should take a look at themselves first!

It is easy to complain, never to compliment

[wiggi0101]

Accidentally clearing a profile is pretty easy to do, I've done it plenty of times.
His shout box post wasn't accidentally deleted. Posts complaining about things are always removed.

Isnt there the freedom of speech act or something like that ???

As long as peoples complaints are not offensively worded or breach gender/racial guidelines what is wrong with people having their say ?

Well thats my opinion but feel free to trash it.

[Shawty]

Isnt there the freedom of speech act or something like that ???

As long as peoples complaints are not offensively worded or breach gender/racial guidelines what is wrong with people having their say ?

Well thats my opinion but feel free to trash it.

Free speech is one thing - but it is all down to personal tastes - what is fine for you, may not be for the next person!

[Firestarter]

lol, i bet my pro (that contained only my wishlist and my wish was not a slut :D ) was accidentally deleted. and that, cause i returned an attack on a mod with a brute. happened some time ago and i got over it, but these kinds of things make people bash mods cause if they do things like these, players don't care that mods help people 90 % of their time if 10 % of their time they abuse their powers

[wiggi0101]

Free speech is one thing - but it is all down to personal tastes - what is fine for you, may not be for the next person!

Im aware of that hence the wording of paragraph below from my original post

As long as peoples complaints are not offensively worded or breach gender/racial guidelines what is wrong with people having their say ?

Everyone knows what is acceptable language and if they have a gripe it should be worded as such. If not then i totally agree with them being removed.

My point is that peoples freedom of speech is being curtailed over any and every complaint posted regardless of how it is worded.

Would like to point out im not having a pop at mods because on the occasions i have asked for help it has been handled well and quickly.

Well thats my opinion but feel free to trash it.

[Sensational]

some mods abuse powers to check whos been neg skilling them..

[Elwood]

Free speech is one thing - but it is all down to personal tastes - what is fine for you, may not be for the next person!

exactly so.. some people might find it funny to crack a joke about your mom.. others might find it offensive.. there is a fine line for Freedom of Speech, just ask any Supreme Court Judge

[crypticlifestyle]

May i ask why swudeson was now fired from his mod spot on the forums? Are mods not allowed to have opinions now eigther? He didnt demonstrate any mis-conduct nor violated any rules what so ever in his duties...Admins it's time you guys get involved in this...

I'd also like to add the moderator who cleared my profile originally has man'd up, and took responsibility for his actions which is abnormal, and i'd like to give props to shady for doing something that should be practiced on here more often, and the rest of you take notice...

"Recieved: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:14:17 -0500
From: ShadyMod

Obviously I messed up clearing your profile, I thought it was against ToS, but upon further review i was wrong. Sorry"


Also when i made this thread it was not against the forum mods, i think the forum mods do an excellent job in here, so the ones who are playing stupid in this thread wipe the brown off your nose, i wasn't expressing myself against you guys ;)

[Elwood]

Just make me a mod.. all will be good.. I Promise

[Rampid_Justin]

Freedom of speech, lol. Read up before throwing around phrases like that. :D

[qITIp]

When i was a mod I accidently cleared masters profile pic while he was suspended. Maybe thats why Im perm fired =(

[Elwood]

hmm I remember one mod that kept clearing my profile even it I put ..... in my profile and yes I mean dotdotdotdotdot also kept removing my profile pic which just said Sleepy with Sleepy from the seven dwarfs :|

never found out who it was although I have a good idea who it was and he/she is no longer a mod ;)

[Shawty]

May i ask why swudeson was now fired from his mod spot on the forums? Are mods not allowed to have opinions now eigther? He didnt demonstrate any mis-conduct nor violated any rules what so ever in his duties...Admins it's time you guys get involved in this...

I'd also like to add the moderator who cleared my profile originally has man'd up, and took responsibility for his actions which is abnormal, and i'd like to give props to shady for doing something that should be practiced on here more often, and the rest of you take notice...

"Recieved: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:14:17 -0500
From: ShadyMod

Obviously I messed up clearing your profile, I thought it was against ToS, but upon further review i was wrong. Sorry"


Also when i made this thread it was not against the forum mods, i think the forum mods do an excellent job in here, so the ones who are playing stupid in this thread wipe the brown off your nose, i wasn't expressing myself against you guys ;)

Steve

Chill fella!

Shady deleted a profile by mistake, like misery said, we have all done it, lol!.......He has apologised and thats that!

Bro, i'll be honest - the other profile deletions were correct based on what mods are told they should delete - when the first one got taken off, just ask the questions why - you have all my details so PM me - had you have done so, i would have told you sorry and that it was ok, then slapped Shady on IRC till he cried (hmm, is that poss?)............but what you did do, was add to your profile about mods abusing powers etc etc, which all mods are told to delete!

like i have said, mods abuse their powers, it is a sad, but true fact, thankfully, those that do, siply do'nt have access to actually impeed someones gameplay or their accounts!!!..........al they do is annoy ppl when they do it, and when they do, action is taken!

[sirjohn159]

Mods that abuse their powers, usually tend to not stay mods that long.

[Wizzy]

Steve

Chill fella!

Shady deleted a profile by mistake, like misery said, we have all done it, lol!.......He has apologised and thats that!

Bro, i'll be honest - the other profile deletions were correct based on what mods are told they should delete - when the first one got taken off, just ask the questions why - you have all my details so PM me - had you have done so, i would have told you sorry and that it was ok, then slapped Shady on IRC till he cried (hmm, is that poss?)............but what you did do, was add to your profile about mods abusing powers etc etc, which all mods are told to delete!

like i have said, mods abuse their powers, it is a sad, but true fact, thankfully, those that do, siply do'nt have access to actually impeed someones gameplay or their accounts!!!..........al they do is annoy ppl when they do it, and when they do, action is taken!

I messaged you just the other day asking why a post was deleted from the SB because I saw nothing wrong with it and you never replied. And I think there was something else that I was pming you about about a few weeks ago and you never replied. :p

You status was online.

[crypticlifestyle]

Steve

Chill fella!

Shady deleted a profile by mistake, like misery said, we have all done it, lol!.......He has apologised and thats that!

Bro, i'll be honest - the other profile deletions were correct based on what mods are told they should delete - when the first one got taken off, just ask the questions why - you have all my details so PM me - had you have done so, i would have told you sorry and that it was ok, then slapped Shady on IRC till he cried (hmm, is that poss?)............but what you did do, was add to your profile about mods abusing powers etc etc, which all mods are told to delete!

like i have said, mods abuse their powers, it is a sad, but true fact, thankfully, those that do, siply do'nt have access to actually impeed someones gameplay or their accounts!!!..........al they do is annoy ppl when they do it, and when they do, action is taken!

:p i am chill, but it's a good topic, and it should be talked about, and shared, and so far everyone has behaved on this thread :) Many of us have been a target of mod abuse over the years, me being one of them more so then most, and instead of waisting points on the shout box *****ing about it i brought it to the forums where it could be discussed in a more pleasant manner, and much cheaper :p~ and in my eyes was abuse, the profile has been up for over a month, he's seen it over and over again and 1 night just clears it? I dont buy the confusion part, or any other excuse that is made to uphold the mistake...I've been trying really hard to behave on here haha so leave me alone? lol

[SnIpEuOuT]

If you suspect a mod is abusing his powers report it to a head mod. The head mod will look into it and if the mod/helper really did abuse his powers he will be fired. Complaining about mod abuse in the forums really isn't all that helpful when you should be reporting it.

[Frozt007]

even way back when i was a mod, i was aware of other mods abusing their powers. The inability to police the situation is part of the reason i resigned. and it's rather evident that mods do have a bias towards not clearing their own members profile. which is part of the problem of multiple mods in a crew.

When i was a monitor, their was a rule against having helpers in the same crew. Have the rules been relaxed?

Funny you mention that. I am a clean mod. I had no problem deleting a fellow mods pic, friends profiles and comments. We aren't corrupt, people's descriptions, pictures and posts are deleted because they broke a ToS rule that they agreed to upon creating their account.

I don't understand what's so hard about following rules everybody is aware of. This game has been around for years, shouldn't people understand that breaking the rules has consequences? Complaining about the consequences they are well aware of in the first place isn't going to help their case.

If you break a rule, you should be ready to get caught.

[bwhit13]

We should be able to see which mod cleared our profile/picture

and what does that accomplish? If a moderator did something he should not have... deleted a post that had nothing wrong with it.... his supervising moderator has a log of it.... what do you benefit from knowing?

[ginabean]

As it was said and I shall quote, "It is easy to complain, not compliment." I agree with that statement wholeheartedly. People seemm to forget that support works very hard especially in the "ticket division" there are only a small handful of us to answer tickets for all 5 servers. Its 2-3-400 people to one mod as it is perhaps even a whole lot more then that.

People get mad when we have to ask for more information, or ask further questions. People complain that their issue isn't solved in the first five seconds upon sending in a ticket. The replies are akin to "I lost such and such and I have proof.." well if you have proof include it in the original ticket. "I lost my rampid and can't login here's all the proof.." yet scream and rant when we have to reply asking for the new email address they want.

People who do not insta get their way are some of the first to scream abuse. Sadly though it is the players actions that lead to so many problems at times.

"I let so and so use my account and..." "I accidentally did so and so.." Well accidents will happen but we can not undo those as players are responsible for the comings and goings and actions on their own accounts. PLayers are also responsible for who they do or do not let have access to their account. yet when we remind people of this the "you're corrupt" is so easily tossed and thrown about as it it was some kind of battle cry.

As for having mods/helpers in a crew, it does little really. Yes that crew will have a faster access line to getting an idea of what action to take but mods do not show favouritism, or at least are not supposed to. While I sat in one crew for a good I'd say 6 months, I never once showed any favouritism and those members of the crew I did help with issues will be the first to say and probably complain "She said send in a ticket with this and that and wait your turn in queue."

Then we have people who troll the mod lists and beg to be made mods or helpers. When they are told no, once more the scream of "ABUSE!! Unfair actions!!" is raised up again like a cry to battle and a call to arms. Accidents will happen with profiles, its very easy as the button is on the profile itself. I have done it once or twice myself and I have always readily apoligized for such actions that I did and even reimbursed points frmo my own pocket when points were wasted for the html involved. Does that make me an "abuser" I am sure it absolutely must.

People think they have the "right' to know who cleared what and when. If people followed the rules things would not need to be cleared. In giving a player this information it paints a taget on their backs just for them doing their job and thats absurdly unfair as well as ludacris to even expect to have happen. We get a lot of he said she said and in the end the false accusations will fly well this mod did such adn such when that mod wasn't even online at the time. People will be fast to blame those they do not like. In fact yesterday I got a complaint about someone clearing a profile that was fine and the person named wasn't even a mod nor hasn't been one for weeks. That there goes to show how fast a false accusation will fly. If you think you are being wronged find a lvl three mod and if they can not help find a head mod. While we will try to help you, we will not name who did what for you as its unfair to them and goes against the mod rules set down for all of us.

No one player is ever going to be all happy all the time with all actions a mod or helper enact against them. Sometimes the dice roll for and sometimes they will roll against and people need to understand that while we are mods and there are mods and helpers we do not have every single answer. We are not magicians, we are not clairvoyant nor are we infallible. We do try however to do the best we can and those bad eggs who do slip in once in a while are quickly weeded out.

The ones who want to spy if we catch them are gone, those who reveal mod chat and secrets are gone, those who warn and clear unfairly are gone. An accident happens once in a while not every day or every hour. Head Mods are here to help you if you have an issue with a mod or a helper. We are the next and top line of defense for checking into things if you think your issue is being mishandled. As Snipe said, complaining here won't help. Come to us if you think you need to as we are all very accessible on our respective servers. We do the best we can but in the end we are only human like the rest of you all.. well cept me I am an Angel *laughs* but seriousily.. remember that the next time you are going to complain.. We are only human and the complaints and threats and harassment and all those other fun things people like to do when mad will only hinder and not help a situation.

[toolkid]

Funny you mention that. I am a clean mod. I had no problem deleting a fellow mods pic, friends profiles and comments. We aren't corrupt, people's descriptions, pictures and posts are deleted because they broke a ToS rule that they agreed to upon creating their account.

I don't understand what's so hard about following rules everybody is aware of. This game has been around for years, shouldn't people understand that breaking the rules has consequences? Complaining about the consequences they are well aware of in the first place isn't going to help their case.

If you break a rule, you should be ready to get caught.


True that bro.

[madmuis]

even way back when i was a mod, i was aware of other mods abusing their powers. The inability to police the situation is part of the reason i resigned. and it's rather evident that mods do have a bias towards not clearing their own members profile. which is part of the problem of multiple mods in a crew.

When i was a monitor, their was a rule against having helpers in the same crew. Have the rules been relaxed?

You did not resign you were fired..

[gressklipper]

If you break a rule, you should be ready to get caught.

quote from ToS:
8. Use of Machines, Computers, Scripts. The use of machines, computers, scripts or any automated system on Outwar.com is strictly prohibited and may result in criminal liability. You may only play Outwar.com with one type, version or copy of browsing software application at any one time.

You should turn off your computer before you get busted!

/thread

[madmuis]

We should be able to see which mod cleared our profile/picture

That would only cause more troubles.

lol, i bet my pro (that contained only my wishlist and my wish was not a slut :D ) was accidentally deleted. and that, cause i returned an attack on a mod with a brute. happened some time ago and i got over it, but these kinds of things make people bash mods cause if they do things like these, players don't care that mods help people 90 % of their time if 10 % of their time they abuse their powers

That would have been deleted because of the word "slut"

[Shawty]

I messaged you just the other day asking why a post was deleted from the SB because I saw nothing wrong with it and you never replied. And I think there was something else that I was pming you about about a few weeks ago and you never replied. :p

You status was online.


Yeah, sorry about that, i forgot to show "offline" when i went out

**Insert embarrassed smilee here**

[Firestarter]

That would only cause more troubles.



That would have been deleted because of the word "slut"

see, that's what i'm talking about. too many noobs being mods. learn to read. i said my wish was not a slut. only contained ow items names, nub :p

[Boots]

Hey ow you should put a leash on the mods on your game...It's out of hand, and it been ignored long enough, and out of curiosity why was my shout box post, and profile cleared?

ALso dont you think it's time you put a end to this monopoly of having multiple mods in the same crew? 4-5 in the same crew is a bit ridiculous wouldnt you agree?

lol, you think thats bad... My profile pic got deleted out of no where a few times the last couple of weeks and my profile always is randomly deleted. Not to mention they never had swearing/porn/etc. in them.

[Shawty]

lol, you think thats bad... My profile pic got deleted out of no where a few times the last couple of weeks and my profile always is randomly deleted. Not to mention they never had swearing/porn/etc. in them.

Can you send me a msg in game and i will look into this for you when i am on OW later

[captain]

So it happens the guy is "accidently" deleting profiles but doesnt mention it, acts like it didnt happen and such? If you "accidently" did it wouldnt you be like oh my bad let me fix it or something? And dont tell me mods abuse is, my old crew leader message Leo on zim saying something about how his crew blew and buncha nubs, and he go his profile description deleted, which contains a wishlist, and that was all. so yea...

[Eagleskill]

Oh I See....

[ginabean]

So it happens the guy is "accidently" deleting profiles but doesnt mention it, acts like it didnt happen and such? If you "accidently" did it wouldnt you be like oh my bad let me fix it or something? And dont tell me mods abuse is, my old crew leader message Leo on zim saying something about how his crew blew and buncha nubs, and he go his profile description deleted, which contains a wishlist, and that was all. so yea...


Now if you feel the actions of a head mod are questionable by all means contact someone higher up. Thats what the chain of command is for and we are all held accountable to someone.

I know Leo fairly well and have for some time and I do not think he'd play such childish games, all actions of helpers must be approved by their lvl 3 mods and all mods actions must be approved by the person who hired them. It goes on like that.

If a mod was unfairly deleting profiles like that they would no longer be a mod believe me when I say that.

[GAGE]

well if these so called "accidentally" happenings keep happening there is only so many times they can "accidentally" do it and get away with it in any business u run u are only as strong as your weakest link and the weakest links in outwar are the mods who "accidentally" do things but get away with it time and time again

[SnIpEuOuT]

the weakest links in outwar are the mods who "accidentally" do things but get away with it time and time again

They don't get away with it, they get fired for doing it "time and time again."

[xHuNt3r]

misery is the master abuser! :< i would like to get auto msges from ow, in wich i get informed who deleted my post or pro. this way, they wont just delete things for fun XD and most mods hired by a new guy that got promoted, are totally dumb, and act smart...
Pure, i would prefer mods with brains, that actually HELP players, than mods that ignore and abuse!

[ginabean]

misery is the master abuser! :< i would like to get auto msges from ow, in wich i get informed who deleted my post or pro. this way, they wont just delete things for fun XD and most mods hired by a new guy that got promoted, are totally dumb, and act smart...
Pure, i would prefer mods with brains, that actually HELP players, than mods that ignore and abuse!

Hunter,

I know you are angry and that is fully understandable however things must be taken into account. However at one point someone who is now fired decided to tell a person what mod/helper deleted their profile. That mod/helper then got bountied and hitlisted in almost 20 crews even though the profile which had many vulgar words deserved to be cleared and then some.

Who does what is not revealed out of protection of the mod. Everyone knows who is what persons multi and main in outwar and it is unjust for people to be punished for doing their jobs and trying to do them to the best of their ability.

If you suspect someone is clearing your profile unfairly I fully invite you to come to me at any time and give me the date of the occurance and I will check the logs to see if there was sanction for its clearing or not. If I find there was no such sanction I will personally go to the person if under me or to Darkforce is under him so as a unit the issue can be remedied and further action taken if need be.

ArrowsAngel
Torax HM

[xHuNt3r]

i`m not talking about "bad language/threatening/complainings" pros... i did delete some of them myself... but pros and sb posts deleted because some nooby mods saw theyr friends or crew owned... thats shameless. i`ve seen many go down, for no reason. was not complaining/insultin/etc. read all that on the mod faq things...
oh, and btw, i do hit you offen, and you dont complain. thats cause i like you :p