Outwar or Outraid? Someone please read

[korey_rudd]

I personally like the raiding aspect of this game, but i come waaaaaaaay back in ow, even though i took some breaks. I was really upset when they got rid of Money, and the ntook our attacking stats, hitlist stats, and defending stats. After, they took out the attack pages, and then the crew war page which i thought was one of the best addons to this game. SO please, does anyone agree with me?

I personally would love to see some of these back into the game, especially the stats and crew wars. Someone write back id love to hear your opinions.

[dtowns]

the usage of the "war" aspect in the game's name is getting old. everybody is changing the "war" part in "outwar" to prove a point ... it's just a f*cking name, ...

outdrama, outhack, outprogram, outraid, outsh!t ... w/e ... u'r really not getting your point through. u think u'r clever, but u'r not... it's old.

[korey_rudd]

the usage of the "war" aspect in the game's name is getting old. everybody is changing the "war" part in "outwar" to prove a point ... it's just a f*cking name, ...

outdrama, outhack, outprogram, outraid, outsh!t ... w/e ... u'r really not getting your point through. u think u'r clever, but u'r not... it's old.

that was harsh dude, just tryin to strike up a conversation...

[Firestarter]

well, that's our beloved dt from sigil server, rofl. he likes to put things harsh. on a serious note, yeah, i would like to see wars back. offensive, defensive and crew hit masteries were useless anyway. because of them people started using auto attackers, so they can reach the top.

[korey_rudd]

Ya i can see the auto attackers i guess.

but id like to see wars back in

i thought they were extremly fun - but if its gone due to auto attackers, just think about all the auto dc'ers ya know?

Im just hopin maybe they will put it in, b/c in my opinion when nothings going on besides WoZ outwar gets rllllyyy boring

[Arrows]

If they ever brought wars back, there would have to be some kind of incentive to it. While I could list off a few different things that could be used as an incentive, I could also throw a negative up for it just as quickly.

Say we make it a war for points. Why would both crews be willing to wager points? It would have to be a lot of points to be worth losing three days of doing ANYTHING else, losing exp which means slower leveling, and all around just wasting your time for a few points you could've made raiding gods and gaining on everything else.

Could always wager items, but for someone to have items they're willing to wager, that I'm willing to take three days out of my life to try and win? Must be something good. Of course, that'd mean I can't easily get them myself, meaning I wouldn't have anything of equal value to wager, and thus...this would fail.

These two have been tried in the past and failed, or the war system would still be up.

So let's say we make an entirely new set. A war set. Not the best set in the world, but something usable by almost every crew. Winner of the war wins a random amount of pieces(Set number as lowest..say..3 or 4 or so.) Crew can decide what they do with these.

Now, what happens when that set becomes obsolete like nearly everything else in this game has? Do you come up with a new and improved set? Make a way to improve the stats? No. We throw away Wars again, because one again, they're pointless.

It doesn't matter how many of us want wars back, they're a waste of time, and always will be, no matter how much we love them.

Heck. I even know one crew leader who wouldn't let two of his middle of the line guys leave to come take part in a war back then because raiding was sooooooo much more important.

[SnIpEuOuT]

offensive, defensive and crew hit masteries were useless anyway. because of them people started using auto attackers, so they can reach the top.

So you could also say experience is useless since people use a DCAA to reach the top according to your logic.

[Egnar]

With that mentality Arrow we might as well not raid because in the future there will be better stuff. I think it goes without saying if a War set was in place a better one would come out when the old one becomes obsolete.

[Arrows]

With that mentality Arrow we might as well not raid because in the future there will be better stuff. I think it goes without saying if a War set was in place a better one would come out when the old one becomes obsolete.

Actually, raiding has a purpose. Without the lower gods, the upper gods are nearly impossible. Not entirely, sure, but it's MUCH easier with more set up accounts. Once accounts are past the point of that god, it's almost useless(SoulGems being the exceptions.

[darkpoey]

nah.. the gods like wanhi etc are useless lol .. just gives pts to peoples multy crews

[Dark_Dragon_311]

actually, we are all in a war now ... war of the raids.

[mechacosby]

im with ya bro...wars and masteries were probably my favorite part of the game...what is there to do now? dc and wait around for hours on end for something to spawn to raid it? if i tried to describe this game to anyone they would think im a retard for even playing such a lame game. which isnt far from the truth

[Domination]

People spend more time in DC then raid or warring so rename the game outworld :)

[tekless]

yeah put the wars back in i had never been in one and am really interesteded in seeing what they're like.

[bluedthunder]

it's pretty much Outgrow...OutDCAA...Outexp*****....boringggggggggg gggggggggggggggggggggg
bring back WAR :D

[OMFGsPaZz]

if you say that bring mastries back will bring aa back... ur wrong

aa didnt go anywhere...it will jjust keep happeneing.
it wouldnt harm anything if you just kept a count on how many HL hits youve had overall and stuff like that.

and war...why not do it for respect?
crews pretty much have wars anyways...ur HL each other and see who can do more dmg.
so why not make it real?

[nacario]

still wards arnt fun when peeps can use loyalty/illusion all day all week.. unlessssss... u r the user oOo

[TruBalla3920]

Does Outwar ever listen to us? It seems like a majority of people want wars back..

[Dark_Dragon_311]

it's pretty much Outgrow...OutDCAA...Outexp*****....boringggggggggg gggggggggggggggggggggg
bring back WAR :D


u forgot outraid blue. lol

[Madman90]

See I guess people don't get the fact that, yes there are people that want to war but crews are just scared.

All the veterans in the game, love wars but no one wants to war, everyone is just simply scared and nothing can be done about it.

and we have been saying this concept of "outraid" for over three years now so no point in posting anything else about it.

[bluedthunder]

if you say that bring mastries back will bring aa back... ur wrong

aa didnt go anywhere...it will jjust keep happeneing.
it wouldnt harm anything if you just kept a count on how many HL hits youve had overall and stuff like that.

and war...why not do it for respect?
crews pretty much have wars anyways...ur HL each other and see who can do more dmg.
so why not make it real?

hl war r gay, as most ppl exp lock or totem loyalty 24/7? So an elaborate war system will prevent that from happening

See I guess people don't get the fact that, yes there are people that want to war but crews are just scared.

All the veterans in the game, love wars but no one wants to war, everyone is just simply scared and nothing can be done about it.

and we have been saying this concept of "outraid" for over three years now so no point in posting anything else about it.

That's for outwar to come up with something that forces people into war. War or Suffer the consequences concept. There's alot of good and elaborate ideas in past threads.

[gdude_09]

A war set would be terrible. People would just make multi crews and war them just to get the set. Personally, I think crews should war over raiding rights. Like the loser of a war cant raid for 3 days, or cant raid a certain god/type of god. Or do it territorial based in DC, but a crew can only have a certain number of territories (to keep the game fair)

[Domination]

Okay here's my idea for a war system
New War System
Multiple crews involved (1vs1/2vs1/2v2/2vs3/3v3)
Loyalty and illusion can not be cast on players involved in the war.
Surrendering can only occur when both crews agree on it.
If both crews can not agree on one crews surrender, war continues
A minium of 2 items most be added into the war wager.
I have more, but i can't remember the rest.

[darkpoey]

Okay here's my idea for a war system
New War System
Multiple crews involved (1vs1/2vs1/2v2/2vs3/3v3)
Loyalty and illusion can not be cast on players involved in the war.
Surrendering can only occur when both crews agree on it.
If both crews can not agree on one crews surrender, war continues
A minium of 2 items most be added into the war wager.
I have more, but i can't remember the rest.


How about a 1v1v1 free for all :D

[Domination]

That would be cool too. we shall call it the exp strip-o-thon

[OMFGsPaZz]

i think there shouldnt be a reward for wars...just do it for respect.
but they should make it to where you cant cast loyalty/illusion or buy an exp lock...and all lv locks are off.

damn that would be sick.
and they can bring back the shame skill...and make it stay on like 3 days after the war.
they can make it take away like a % of atk+hp of all crew members, so it makes it harder to win raids...and the winning crew gets a +% of hp+atk or some shit like that. but there needs to be a way to regulate that the wars are legit and not just a way to get extra hp+atk n shit.

i dunno im just typpin off the top of my head lol

[Elwood]

i think there shouldnt be a reward for wars...just do it for respect.
but they should make it to where you cant cast loyalty/illusion or buy an exp lock...and all lv locks are off.

damn that would be sick.
and they can bring back the shame skill...and make it stay on like 3 days after the war.
they can make it take away like a % of atk+hp of all crew members, so it makes it harder to win raids...and the winning crew gets a +% of hp+atk or some shit like that. but there needs to be a way to regulate that the wars are legit and not just a way to get extra hp+atk n shit.

i dunno im just typpin off the top of my head lol

I would love the war system to come back and have it where you cant exp lock, cast loyalty or totem every 2-8hrs...

[TruBalla3920]

Hey Outwar, feel like listening?

[Rampid_Justin]

Hey Outwar, feel like listening?

You're not contributing.

[PaasHaaS]

You're not contributing.

I'll contribute: Bring full ranking pages back so I can make full hitlists again. You're almost forced to just dc or raid.

[snake]

I'll contribute: Bring full ranking pages back so I can make full hitlists again. You're almost forced to just dc or raid.

yea i agree how are people suppose to burn 27k + rage when waiting on a god when you can dc cause god might spawn with out a full hitlist or ranking page is next to imposiable im sick of not growing cause i cant dc :(

[TruBalla3920]

You're not contributing.

Neither are they.

[TruBalla3920]

How long have wars been gone for? You know how many threads like this pop up? And for what? No action is ever taken..

[PThaGangsta]

I think we should have a reward for winning a war...

Like a 50,000,000 exp reward for the winning crew and the Leader can give it fairly to his best hitters...

OR

The Leader of the winning crew gets to keep the exp striped from the other crew and give it to his members...



There should be a minimum cap like 1,000,000 hits or 2,000,000 exp striped...

[Domination]

How long have wars been gone for? You know how many threads like this pop up? And for what? No action is ever taken..

How do you know there isn't? how do you know there not taking our idea's an making a new war system? The fact that they read our idea's shows they at the leased think about them.

[Apathy]

Wars died a long time ago. In order to bring back wars, Outwar would have to mandate at least the top 25 crews to war monthly. If they did not then the crews would have to disband, as it is obvious 11-25 ranks are mainly multi crews anyway.

It would weed out the real crews from the junk crews and allow the people who want to war war.

This has become about raiding. I still do not and have not participated in much raiding as it is as boring as watching crew chats.

[Domination]

I don't even know where to begin to tell you how dumb that is. >:\

[xFelix]

Wars were indeed fun.. Now I personally like the idea of the experience strip gain from wars... with a minimum so multi crews wont gain.. but you guys have to consider this:

Everyone hits reguardless war page or not.
Everyone hits back reguardless war page or not.

xFelix's Outwar.com Review

WAR - will be useless if you have noone to war... Rankings need to be re-introduced to the game in order for wars/attacks to be half way decent.

DC - It seems Diamond City has completely devoured Outwar.com. We need to break out of the city more and head towards a new path into other things.. Wilderness, (NO NOT ANOTHER FORM OF DIAMOND CITY), crew vs crew attacks, crew wars, personal quests allowing players who ARENT good enough to join a good crew to atleast be able to upgrade himself to a point of being accepted into a mediocore crew (Remember the old astro suit?) Not to mention new expansions come out regularly and we are never given guides/maps to finish any of the new quests. As a matter of fact this is how outwar encourages the opening of groups that are hell-bent on cheating..

RAIDS - Well these raids are completely obsolete atm. Fix them. If youre not going to count War Drums/Morale towards crew raids anymore remove the top images that are just causing more image downloads and hence slowing down the game. Recaptcha: GOOD idea, not so good implementation. Have you ever considered that the users end up running programs on your website because you lack an actual raiding system? The way it looks to be, all of outwar wants the timeframe of gods reduced.. theyll still spawn in there 1-5 days as usual but instead of making them -+30 hours(obsolete) make them -+2-4 hours.(revamped) Having a 20 raid per hour limit on set raids is completely hogwash, and having a level requirement on them is even more of a bad bargain. Sets are whats used to get yourself to the height of gods, why limit at what level our accounts can reach a new set? Life Forces are pointless at this time of the game seeing as how now The Proton Chaingun of Mass Destruction is a better weapon then the Scared Blade of the Order and is easier to come by. A quick few thousand points and you too might have one of the best weapons in the entire game! Supplying the argument of reforging the Sacred Blade is also void due to a mysteriously rare item dropped only two times in the history of outwar, which means that reforging your "blade" is a longshot. Oblivion has become but quite a joke. You must beat 15 gods collect 15 soulgems, kill some of the hardest Diamond City mobs in the game to turn them in.. and in return you get an item with lower stats than if you would have just paid 1-5 thousand points for. In addition an entirely set of oblivion soulgems sells for about 10-15 thousand points ;) with that amount I could easily get myself 3 god items with better stats than oblivion.


SUPPORT- Outwar support is overall poor to say the least, with constant moving around of ranks, hiring/firing of monitors and noone actually doing there job.. It seems almost as if we were playing an unsupported game! No maps, No wars, Items are all over the place, Point Economies fluctuate more than the waves in the sea, Raids inside of Diamond City which is completely unmapped by Outwar.com (Which means you have to go to a cheating group's website to even know how to play anymore)

END RESULT - Outwar.com has ALOT of things to fix/upgrade before adding more on. Support is key to any business and Outwar seems to have a lack thereof. All-In-All I do see that the Administrators ARE trying to make the game more entertaining, just at there own pace.

SCORE -
Functionality: 4/5 (Minor bugs here and there)
Support: 4/5 (You actually read the forums and try to make the game entertaining)
Entertainment: 1/5 (With only raiding and "dcing" available as the main features this game lacks attention)
Total: 4/5 (****)

Thank you kindly for your time and patience.

[Giuseppe]

Guys. You're all wrong.

The true "war" in outwar is racing other crews to gods, negging other crews, and hitlisting other crews.

Outwar = all about items.....so theres a war for crews to recieve the best....


Wars are stupid and can be won easily if one crew spends a ton of pts on potions and all. Don't bring them back.....enough damage can be done with 50 or so strike downs :P

[Palmer234]

i started playing outwar in round 6. right near the start.
back then you could buy a glock or an uzi to increase your stats, earn money from attack blah blah. there were no items back then, no DC and the only crew tool was hitlisting.

i stopped playing about 2 years ago due to watching outwar become more and more about money/points. i had PP, was a member in a large crew and still speak to old allies such as contessa, solid snake and mancunian. i got to the point where id spent about $400 (200 odd quid) on points etc and had enough of it.

stopped by a couple of days ago to find my old player had been deleted, which sucks ass. started a new account and it seems the whole game now revolves around DC.
bring back the good old days of money and rocket launchers. thats the real outwar!
and if anyone knows another site that like outwar used to be, please let me know.
if i wanted to spend money id go to an arcade.

[korey_rudd]

There are all really good ideas in here and i really think people are going to begin to listen to us, but i saw a few things i didnt agree with, i think one was like punish a losing crew for x amount of time from raiding?

something like that would be a terrible idea...That would cause crews who spend all their time effort and money on raiding, to not participate. What we truely need is an over all base of wars, just a flat line to start at and work up.

Maybe when someone said u would lose a percentage of hp and atk, making it harder to win a god...u add the opposite as well a nice boost towards it? Of course people would say this would be an uneven because people would war multi's or low level crews - in that case you could set up an average lvl/total members barrier. Allowing only certain crews with a +/- of the average level to war.

Doing something like that but incorporating it with raiding would be a great idea. It would totally boost up war efforts, as well as incorporate it with raiding, therefore if people are going to get an advantage raiding they may take the chance at wars.

Im not saying that has to be the actual awards, but its a start..

[tkrizzle21]

i like the war set idea..i think they should bring back wars..maybe the crews dont need to wager anything..they just get points from winning..even though then ppl could throw wars and stuff like that..

[Onima]

We should have war tournaments for each server every so often, where the winning crew would win some amazing prize.

Crews would just sign up for a spot, and wait for it to begin. And after each round of the tourney the members of the winning crew would get back a certain amount of xp to help balance out with the xp they lost during the war.

While it wouldn't be a traditional war, where the crews actually rival, or hate each other, it would still be fun.

No potions and crap or exp locks allowed. Just pure skills and hitting.

[PThaGangsta]

We should have war tournaments for each server every so often, where the winning crew would win some amazing prize.

Crews would just sign up for a spot, and wait for it to begin. And after each round of the tourney the members of the winning crew would get back a certain amount of xp to help balance out with the xp they lost during the war.

While it wouldn't be a traditional war, where the crews actually rival, or hate each other, it would still be fun.

No potions and crap or exp locks allowed. Just pure skills and hitting.

Hey.. that's a good idea...

But crews should have a maximum number of members to do that...

[Onima]

I also realized that you would probably have to have different divisions based on power, otherwise the smaller crews would have no chance. Kind of like high school basketball or something.

Because, you know, I doubt any small crews are capable of pulling off a Milan.